INS Vikrant Aircraft Carrier (IAC)

[Narasimh]

The point to be noted here is the inventor of the IGBT tech is Jayant Baliga an Indian .. a professor of North Carolina State university he invented thia tech in 1979.. but americans decided to go for Emals tech hence this IGBT tech was taken up by Dynex semiconductor of UK which China acquired in 2008 during the global crises.. it was approved by Gordon Brown...

this will augment the capabilities of cbinese future carriers to launch heavier aircrafts.. we've got yo see how will this Pan out viz a vis our purpoted EMALs tech from US if we did acquire in near future ... china is racing ahead and we are still playing catch up...

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sadly.. we will always play catch up

 

[Prashant12]

Navy confident of commissioning aircraft carrier Vikrant in two years

Hold-ups in procuring major parts resolved

After several delays, the Indian Navy is confident of commissioning Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC-1) Vikrant, currently under construction at Kochi, by October 2020, a senior officer said on Friday.

“IAC-I is expected to join the Navy in October 2020. All trial schedules have been worked out. We are going to sign advanced contracts with Cochin Shipyard Limited very soon,” said Commodore J. Chowdhary, principal director of naval design. He was speaking at a media briefing on the Navy’s Republic Day contingents. The theme of this year’s Navy tableau is centred around a model of Vikrant being built at the shipyard.

The IAC-I project has been delayed due to hold-ups in procurement especially of 18 major equipment related to aviation complex, including the arrestor and the withstanding gear, from Russia, Cdre. Chowdhary said. “There were licencing issues which have been resolved.”

Sea trials

The carrier is likely to be handed over to the Navy by December 2018 after which it will be put through harbour and sea trials before commissioning.

Vikrant borrows its name from India’s first aircraft carrier, the 20,000-tonne INS Vikrant purchased from the U.K. India currently operates the 44,500-tonne INS Vikramaditya procured from Russia.

Like INS Vikramaditya, Vikrant too would employ the STOBAR (Short Take-Off But Arrested Recovery) mechanism with a ski-jump and arrestor cables to launch and recover aircraft.

It can operate 20 fighter jets and 10 other aircraft. The Mig-29K fighters currently in service with the Navy would also be on the deck of Vikrant.

Initially the plan was to have a mix of Mig-29K and the naval variant of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft, Tejas.

The IAC-I project was approved by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) in 2003 and the keel for the 260-metre ship was laid in 2009. The CCS had initially sanctioned ₹3,200 crore, which was subsequently revised to ₹19,341 crore.

In a 2016 report, the Comptroller and Auditor-General (CAG) said that the “delivery of the carrier with completion of all activities is likely to be achieved only by 2023.” But Navy officials stated that all issues have now been resolved and the ship would join the Navy in 2020.

The Navy has already set sights on the IAC-II, which it envisages to be conventionally powered and displace 65,000 tonnes with an advanced Catapult-based Aircraft Launch Mechanism (CATOBAR) similar to the U.S. Electro-Magnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) for aircraft launch and recovery.


http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...rier-vikrant-in-two-years/article22474986.ece

 

[abingdonboy]

Navy confident of commissioning aircraft carrier Vikrant in two years

Hold-ups in procuring major parts resolved

After several delays, the Indian Navy is confident of commissioning Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC-1) Vikrant, currently under construction at Kochi, by October 2020, a senior officer said on Friday.

“IAC-I is expected to join the Navy in October 2020. All trial schedules have been worked out. We are going to sign advanced contracts with Cochin Shipyard Limited very soon,” said Commodore J. Chowdhary, principal director of naval design. He was speaking at a media briefing on the Navy’s Republic Day contingents. The theme of this year’s Navy tableau is centred around a model of Vikrant being built at the shipyard.

The IAC-I project has been delayed due to hold-ups in procurement especially of 18 major equipment related to aviation complex, including the arrestor and the withstanding gear, from Russia, Cdre. Chowdhary said. “There were licencing issues which have been resolved.”

Sea trials

The carrier is likely to be handed over to the Navy by December 2018 after which it will be put through harbour and sea trials before commissioning.

Vikrant borrows its name from India’s first aircraft carrier, the 20,000-tonne INS Vikrant purchased from the U.K. India currently operates the 44,500-tonne INS Vikramaditya procured from Russia.

Like INS Vikramaditya, Vikrant too would employ the STOBAR (Short Take-Off But Arrested Recovery) mechanism with a ski-jump and arrestor cables to launch and recover aircraft.

It can operate 20 fighter jets and 10 other aircraft. The Mig-29K fighters currently in service with the Navy would also be on the deck of Vikrant.

Initially the plan was to have a mix of Mig-29K and the naval variant of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft, Tejas.

The IAC-I project was approved by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) in 2003 and the keel for the 260-metre ship was laid in 2009. The CCS had initially sanctioned ₹3,200 crore, which was subsequently revised to ₹19,341 crore.

In a 2016 report, the Comptroller and Auditor-General (CAG) said that the “delivery of the carrier with completion of all activities is likely to be achieved only by 2023.” But Navy officials stated that all issues have now been resolved and the ship would join the Navy in 2020.

The Navy has already set sights on the IAC-II, which it envisages to be conventionally powered and displace 65,000 tonnes with an advanced Catapult-based Aircraft Launch Mechanism (CATOBAR) similar to the U.S. Electro-Magnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) for aircraft launch and recovery.


http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...rier-vikrant-in-two-years/article22474986.ece

Timeline has been intact for years now- sea trails from Dec 2018 lasting for 2 years, fully operational by 2020. Don't know what CAG was smoking when they said she wouldn't be handed over to the navy until 2023!

 

[Tanmay]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ind...issioned-by-2020-1802359?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

Russian delay in supply of "Aviation items".
A bit confused about the number of fighters.45 MIG-K (few remaining to be delivered IIRC) and 57 new fighers.
Both our carriers wont carry more than 30 each. So around 40 remaining.So even if we exclude a few for training are the remaining just reserves for losses or is Navy planning for a permanent squadron in A&N

 

[rohit b3]

There will never be any

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ind...issioned-by-2020-1802359?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

Russian delay in supply of "Aviation items".
A bit confused about the number of fighters.45 MIG-K (few remaining to be delivered IIRC) and 57 new fighers.
Both our carriers wont carry more than 30 each. So around 40 remaining.So even if we exclude a few for training are the remaining just reserves for losses or is Navy planning for a permanent squadron in A&N

" There will never be any "57 fighters". Wait and watch how the LCA mk2 takes its first flight in the next few years and gets ready for induction with the Navy by 2025, long before INS Vishal is ready.

 

[rohit b3]

Navy confident of commissioning aircraft carrier Vikrant in two years

Hold-ups in procuring major parts resolved

After several delays, the Indian Navy is confident of commissioning Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC-1) Vikrant, currently under construction at Kochi, by October 2020, a senior officer said on Friday.

“IAC-I is expected to join the Navy in October 2020. All trial schedules have been worked out. We are going to sign advanced contracts with Cochin Shipyard Limited very soon,” said Commodore J. Chowdhary, principal director of naval design. He was speaking at a media briefing on the Navy’s Republic Day contingents. The theme of this year’s Navy tableau is centred around a model of Vikrant being built at the shipyard.

The IAC-I project has been delayed due to hold-ups in procurement especially of 18 major equipment related to aviation complex, including the arrestor and the withstanding gear, from Russia, Cdre. Chowdhary said. “There were licencing issues which have been resolved.”

Sea trials

The carrier is likely to be handed over to the Navy by December 2018 after which it will be put through harbour and sea trials before commissioning.

Vikrant borrows its name from India’s first aircraft carrier, the 20,000-tonne INS Vikrant purchased from the U.K. India currently operates the 44,500-tonne INS Vikramaditya procured from Russia.

Like INS Vikramaditya, Vikrant too would employ the STOBAR (Short Take-Off But Arrested Recovery) mechanism with a ski-jump and arrestor cables to launch and recover aircraft.

It can operate 20 fighter jets and 10 other aircraft. The Mig-29K fighters currently in service with the Navy would also be on the deck of Vikrant.

Initially the plan was to have a mix of Mig-29K and the naval variant of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft, Tejas.

The IAC-I project was approved by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) in 2003 and the keel for the 260-metre ship was laid in 2009. The CCS had initially sanctioned ₹3,200 crore, which was subsequently revised to ₹19,341 crore.

In a 2016 report, the Comptroller and Auditor-General (CAG) said that the “delivery of the carrier with completion of all activities is likely to be achieved only by 2023.” But Navy officials stated that all issues have now been resolved and the ship would join the Navy in 2020.

The Navy has already set sights on the IAC-II, which it envisages to be conventionally powered and displace 65,000 tonnes with an advanced Catapult-based Aircraft Launch Mechanism (CATOBAR) similar to the U.S. Electro-Magnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) for aircraft launch and recovery.


http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...rier-vikrant-in-two-years/article22474986.ece

Everytime, such big ticket projects are delayed, its cause Russia or Israel or some other country is not supplying the key parts. Then delays and massive cost escalations.
Doesnt it seem funny and well planned out for people to make money through these cost escalations and reduce accountability?

 

[Tanmay]

There will never be any

" There will never be any "57 fighters". Wait and watch how the LCA mk2 takes its first flight in the next few years and gets ready for induction with the Navy by 2025, long before INS Vishal is ready.

They are for Vikrant and not Vishal, arent they?

The Navy chief also said the first Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC I) will be ready by 2020 and the Navy was looking for deck based combat capable fighter aircraft for it.

He said the naval version of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas developed by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. cannot operate from deck and that is why the Navy was looking for other options.

"I need a deck based combat capable fighter by 2020 for IAC I. In present state, LCA Navy cannot be operated from deck," ..

Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/61884897.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[patriots]

They are for Vikrant and not Vishal, arent they?

The Navy chief also said the first Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC I) will be ready by 2020 and the Navy was looking for deck based combat capable fighter aircraft for it.

He said the naval version of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas developed by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. cannot operate from deck and that is why the Navy was looking for other options.

"I need a deck based combat capable fighter by 2020 for IAC I. In present state, LCA Navy cannot be operated from deck," ..

Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/61884897.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

ya hope ada,hal will produce a naval version of amca ....for vishal.......
navy needs twin engine fighters so no chance for LCA ......

 

[Tanmay]

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ya hope ada,hal will produce a naval version of amca ....for vishal.......
navy needs twin engine fighters so no chance for LCA ......

Hope they keep Navy involved in design and requirements.
End mai to latest GSQR satisfy karna chahiye else its same thing as Arjun or LCA
And hope they find better nomenclature for naming than Light, Advanced, Future Ready, NextGen etc etc.

 

[Pandeyji]

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Hope they keep Navy involved in design and requirements.
End mai to latest GSQR satisfy karna chahiye else its same thing as Arjun or LCA
And hope they find better nomenclature for naming than Light, Advanced, Future Ready, NextGen etc etc.

If it's for navy you could be sure that they would be involved. They are the most active amongst the 3 services in indigenization program.

 

[rohit b3]

They are for Vikrant and not Vishal, arent they?

The Navy chief also said the first Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC I) will be ready by 2020 and the Navy was looking for deck based combat capable fighter aircraft for it.

He said the naval version of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas developed by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. cannot operate from deck and that is why the Navy was looking for other options.

"I need a deck based combat capable fighter by 2020 for IAC I. In present state, LCA Navy cannot be operated from deck," ..

Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/61884897.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

The Navy already has(or about to have) 45 Mig 29K to be distributed between Vikramaditya and Vikrant. The 2 Carriers in their fully loaded state would have 20-25 fighters and 10-12 helicopters.

You dont get stuff just because you "need". Its a 6- 8 years process minimum to finalize a multi billion dollar deal, and in this case a deal worth atleast 15 Bil$(which would never happen).

Anyone who has been following the LCA project since the last decade knows that LCA mk1 was never to be operated from the Carriers. It was always gonna be LCA mk2. So the comment from him is nothing to be surprised about.

 

[Pandeyji]

^But wouldn't a single engine fighter be a wrong choice seeing all our current carriers are STOBAR which require more power to carry significant loads?

 

[rohit b3]

^But wouldn't a single engine fighter be a wrong choice seeing all our current carriers are STOBAR which require more power to carry significant loads?

LCA mk2 would be inducted keeping the CATOBAR EMALS Vishal in mind. Apart from that LCA mk2 would have a TWR of over 1.00, and thats not bad even for STOBAR operations with reasonable load.
Personally, I feel LCA and Mig29K would form a very potent Light/Medium combo for the Naval Arm. That would be followed by the Naval AMCA sometime in the mid 2030s hopefully.
Any more variety , and the Navy would be going the Airforce's way mixing everything up and ending up with a complicated logistics nightmare.

 

[abingdonboy]

There will never be any

" There will never be any "57 fighters". Wait and watch how the LCA mk2 takes its first flight in the next few years and gets ready for induction with the Navy by 2025, long before INS Vishal is ready.

Nonsense.

1) 57 are for IAC, there is no question they are needed as MIG29Ks have not been ordered for IAC-1
2) as good as NLCA MK2 will be it will still be a single engine light fighter, how can it possible compete with the rafale m? And from a safety perspective IN do not want to be operating single engine fighters from carriers which is perfectly understandable

 

[abingdonboy]

LCA mk2 would be inducted keeping the CATOBAR EMALS Vishal in mind. Apart from that LCA mk2 would have a TWR of over 1.00, and thats not bad even for STOBAR operations with reasonable load.
Personally, I feel LCA and Mig29K would form a very potent Light/Medium combo for the Naval Arm. That would be followed by the Naval AMCA sometime in the mid 2030s hopefully.
Any more variety , and the Navy would be going the Airforce's way mixing everything up and ending up with a complicated logistics nightmare.

1) Navy wants twin engine fighters for carriers only
2) Navy is very unhappy with mig-29k, it is going to order MRCBF 100% becuase it needs to for IAC1. If IN was happy with MIG29K 90 would be in service today.


To serve 2 carriers 5-6 SQNs of fighters are needed, the IN has 3. That says it all.

 

[Sancho]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ind...issioned-by-2020-1802359?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

Russian delay in supply of "Aviation items".
A bit confused about the number of fighters.45 MIG-K (few remaining to be delivered IIRC) and 57 new fighers.
Both our carriers wont carry more than 30 each. So around 40 remaining.So even if we exclude a few for training are the remaining just reserves for losses or is Navy planning for a permanent squadron in A&N

You need more fighters than the carriers would carry, to have enough reserves for rotation (keeping the same fighters at sea will reduce their service life faster), maintenance or repair and training at the shore base.

 

[Filtercoffee]

1) Navy wants twin engine fighters for carriers only
2) Navy is very unhappy with mig-29k, it is going to order MRCBF 100% becuase it needs to for IAC1. If IN was happy with MIG29K 90 would be in service today.


To serve 2 carriers 5-6 SQNs of fighters are needed, the IN has 3. That says it all.

Rafale M will do wonders only they would have issues with vikramaditya and we need both types. Mig 29 k will do till vishal (class carrier series) begins I think, due to maintenance ease. Also they are cleaner, in terms of upgrades (Mirage 2000 during kargil), easier to order and to an extent loss proof. 3 - 7 (4- east-west, lakshwa, A and N 'coastal' or 4 Tejas N sqds) More Mig 29 k sqds would complete the need for the Naval requirement(s). Also, the whole fighter air arm is training on MiG 29 Ks and Tejas is Indian and has GE engine choice of use, so much better in time line of carrier life.

 

[lcafanboy]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ind...issioned-by-2020-1802359?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

Russian delay in supply of "Aviation items".
A bit confused about the number of fighters.45 MIG-K (few remaining to be delivered IIRC) and 57 new fighers.
Both our carriers wont carry more than 30 each. So around 40 remaining.So even if we exclude a few for training are the remaining just reserves for losses or is Navy planning for a permanent squadron in A&N

Both are for carrier operations only. Across world carrier Fighters have not more than 60-70% availablity. So 45+57=102 and both carriers will need war availablity of 60-70 Fighters. So no these are exclusively for carriers.

Also LCA mk2 won't be boarding any carrier due to reliability issues. Navy wants twin engine Fighter with demonstrable Deck operation with single engine in case of engine failure during take offs.

 

[lcafanboy]

1) Navy wants twin engine fighters for carriers only
2) Navy is very unhappy with mig-29k, it is going to order MRCBF 100% becuase it needs to for IAC1. If IN was happy with MIG29K 90 would be in service today.


To serve 2 carriers 5-6 SQNs of fighters are needed, the IN has 3. That says it all.

Russia is not leaving easily. They are coming up with MIG 29 k with reliable I30 engines with 110kn power and are even ready to replace engines of existing Fighters too. Add to that newer avionics AESA radar EW suite and it could be Rafale killer.

 

[Tanmay]

Both are for carrier operations only. Across world carrier Fighters have not more than 60-70% availablity. So 45+57=102 and both carriers will need war availablity of 60-70 Fighters. So no these are exclusively for carriers.

Also LCA mk2 won't be boarding any carrier due to reliability issues. Navy wants twin engine Fighter with demonstrable Deck operation with single engine in case of engine failure during take offs.

I hope they plan it out for IAC2. else we will end up with 3 different types of fighters and helos. Atleast IAC1 and IAC2 lifts and arresting cables and maintenance facilities should be able to support a common plane type plus Vicky planes