INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

[Kunal Biswas]

re: Chinese thermal bricks disrupted INS Vikramaditya Sea Trials

Fire the one who ordered those bricks on first place..

 

[rockdog]

Re: Chinese thermal bricks disrupted INS Vikramaditya Sea Trials

do anyone really think that china purposefully degraded the quality of the boilers? so that they can delay Vikramaditya even further while china gets upper hand?

I think so, for last ten yrs, PLA spent 1billon USD to invent the weapon of massive destruction called "Anti AC Bricks", and it's the specific design for India's Russian Carrier! I think the international community need a urgent meet up to ban this kind of unhuman weapon... and should be same as Nuke with "no first use" policy, especially forbidden to use to technology advanced nation like India...

 

[natarajan]

like the past we should have gone for uk ,we made the mistake by trusting ruskies

 

[arya]

like the past we should have gone for uk ,we made the mistake by trusting ruskies

yes either uk or usa we can take any 2nd hand AC with f16 or euro fighter .

guys we have to do the thing on fast mode

 

[natarajan]

I think government is not serious on defense but interested to make money on everything ,so no use if we have super weapons in the hands of fools

 

[arya]

I think government is not serious on defense but interested to make money on everything ,so no use if we have super weapons in the hands of fools

dont call them fool they made money in last few years .

do you any idea how much money sonia or sharad pawar, lalu, etc . and other minister has ?

you even cant think how much money

t

 

[Kranthi]

Your Answer was in my previous post only..

Barak 1 is completely a point defense CIWS system.It is only to save the ship from which it is operating from.
With its mere 12km range there is very less chance for barak 1 to intercept a missile heading towards another ship.
A CBG relying on Barak 1 will be like batting naked against a fast bowler without any protection except the under guard

 

[tony4562]

Re: Chinese thermal bricks disrupted INS Vikramaditya Sea Trials

There was report that steel used in the project was imported from China, now you have thermal bricks imported from china, one has to wonder what else is imported from China. With so much stuff imported from China India might as well have the refit done in China instead.

 

[p2prada]

Re: Chinese thermal bricks disrupted INS Vikramaditya Sea Trials

It will be funny if they go back to using asbestos.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

For better understanding..

1. Presently this is how Our CBG works, In future when we have barak 8, The formation will be remain same just the SAM range will be increased..

2. Distance between Ships and carrier are between 500m - 2kms at most, Any thing trespassing the red circles are engaged by escort ships..

I made this for rough idea about the formation..

 

[Armand2REP]

The range of Barak I against sea-skimmers is 5-6km. It loses much energy being vertically launched and having to whip around traveling parallel to intercept the target. It is a true point defence weapon. What IN needs is a good layered defence.

 

[Austin]

Re: Chinese thermal bricks disrupted INS Vikramaditya Sea Trials

There are lot of stuff people all over the world use from China since they have turned into global manufacturing hub.....if bricks of only 3 boilers have failed it means the remaining 4-5 worked as expected.

Infact rian reported yesterday not just the bricks but equipment imported from Poland and UK at the behest of IN and used on Vikramaditya have also failed.

Some equipment failure is normal during trial process and that is part of trials and what trials are for as they would put the machines to the extremes of design specification to see how it works and what breaks.

Had they used Asbestos they wouldnt have faced this issue but asbestos are known to cause lung cancer with prolonged exposure so IN rightly though did not go for it but opted for bricks that are perhaps more safer for humans during prolonged exposure but then have its own set of issues to handle

 

[Kranthi]

For better understanding..

1. Presently this is how Our CBG works, In future when we have barak 8, The formation will be remain same just the SAM range will be increased..

2. Distance between Ships and carrier are between 500m - 2kms at most, Any thing trespassing the red circles are engaged by escort ships..

I made this for rough idea about the formation..

We have shtil on many ships. it has range over 45 kms if i am not wrong.
Barak 1 is an excellent sam and has a very high hit probability but it seriously cannot protect a CBG.

Along with a great range of Barak 8,it will be operating with more powerful radars like MF-STAR which allows for engaging multiple targets.
Real time war scenario involving a CBG will b like dozens of missiles raining on the CBG from multiple directions from aircraft and enemy ships.

No navy which dares to attack indian CBG is incapable of trespassing Barak-1 based CBG defense.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The above is the present situation of CBG, Even that is not less capable...

Most are updated with Barak, Only Delhi, Shivalik and Talwar carry Shtil..

Barak 8 will be in future only on Kolkata Class..

 

[Kranthi]

The above is the present situation of CBG, Even that is not less capable...

Most are updated with Barak, Only Delhi, Shivalik and Talwar carry Shtil..

Barak 8 will be in future only on Kolkata Class..

Theater defense is must for an effective CBG.Meaning every AA ship in the fleet must b able to defend any other ship in the fleet and all the fleet must be well within the protection ring of each AA platform

The configuration shown in ur picture is a suicide sir.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

@Kranthi,

Its a classic CBG formation since WW2 and even today, USN so does any other Navy with CV follows it..

I just put it in simple way in Indian context..

The configuration shown in ur picture is a suicide sir.

Shitil range is 30kms, Shitil-1 range is 50kms ( Only on Talwar & Shivalik ) that is max Anti-Aircraft kill range of Indian Ships presently..

In my view 50km is no good nor 70km too good, we need S-300 Fort to have a dedicated Air-defense for CBG..

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Barak-1 form the backbone of most Ship defense in IN and that is how it is..

Barak-1 may not have range but very accurate..

 

[Snuggy321]

Re: Chinese thermal bricks disrupted INS Vikramaditya Sea Trials

So another year of waiting........ Personally, I am done with the Gorky
At least I hope to see the 1st Kolkata class vessel commissioned this year.

 

[Kranthi]

@Kranthi,

Its a classic CBG formation since WW2 and even today, USN so does any other Navy with CV follows it..

I just put it in simple way in Indian context..

No i meant not the formation (Sorry if i spelt that way) but the missile ranges shown in the image.the carrier has poor protection.

Shitil range is 30kms, Shitil-1 range is 50kms ( Only on Talwar & Shivalik ) that is max Anti-Aircraft kill range of Indian Ships presently..

In my view 50km is no good nor 70km too good, we need S-300 Fort to have a dedicated Air-defense for CBG..

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Barak-1 form the backbone of most Ship defense in IN and that is how it is..

Barak-1 may not have range but very accurate..

ya s-300 is required to engage aircraft.
but as far as missile defense is considered,the major advantage of barak-8 systems is not the extended range to 70 kms but actually the ability to engage multiple targets simultaneously. And also being vertically launched,the ship need not waste time for turning to engage in case of barak 1 and 2 which most of the old shtil equipped ships lack.

Indeed Barak-1 is very accurate and our standard naval SAM

 

[ice berg]

Re: Chinese thermal bricks disrupted INS Vikramaditya Sea Trials

I love how the polar bear deftly diverted the attention away from themselves.

Kudos to them.

The never ending saga continues.

 

[average american]

Re: Chinese thermal bricks disrupted INS Vikramaditya Sea Trials

Is there any one but me kind of skeptical if Russia and India are having so much trouble with an aircraft carrier, that its going to be smooth sailing with the one of the most advanced and complex aircraft in the world the T50 and PAK-FA.