INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

[Kunal Biswas]

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[DaTang]

I think I did not convey my points clearly enough.

I am just being conservative (realistic if you may) on the estimated time used to fix the ship. Since it is a renovated hull with a lot of"first time", it usually takes
longer time than mature technology. It has nothing to be ashamed of. but it will take time.

I don't get your comparison.
Akula is rented out as a full fledged batch production hull. It has been tested out by the USSR navy.
While Vikramaditya's malfunction was due to a flawed renovation "improvement", it is NOT tested before and it will take Russian ship builder some time to figure out the real cause and find a solution.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Your point is clear enough..

About 'comparison' which was not there on first place until you made up then you bring about being 'conservative & realistic' and at the end you are adding 'ashamed of' and lastly no least 'will take time' ..

 

[average american]

I spent some time in the USSR back in the time the air craft carrier was being buillt, including the year it was launched I was in Mykolaiv Ukrainian. The USSR collapsed about 7 years later. The attitude of the people at that time was that they were hopeless..their moral was poor, they did not care what kind of a job they did, just the minium to get by, ..they were not interested in doing a good job at what ever they did for the goverment and they all worked for the goverment. and detested the goverment. There was no great love for the Russian in the Ukrain, or the military..l...There were chronic shortages, long lines,, oppression....... corruption,,, when workers did a bad job it was covered up because it would make their superiors look bad........when you add that to the fact the Vikramaditya sit with very little maintenance......for 20 years you are bound to have a real mess.....

 

[huaxia rox]

i m not saying russians r not good at developing advanced weapons but i do think russians seemed to do some half ass jobs in the Vikramaditya project and they didnt seem to care about what the timming means for foreigner customers (leave alone the budget issue)...on top of that they balmed indians (customer) for the malfunction which is really uncalled for and somewhat funny.......maybe indians should lodge a formal complaint over the issue.......

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Right Now, Boilers on Vikramaditya which are not KVG-4 boilers but has KVG-3D boilers. India requested that boilers' thermal lining would be replaced from asbestos to brick. During trials, this turned out to be not optimal. At least, that's the going theory.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its Official :

Shulyakovsky says three of the carrier's eight boilers failed, but the ship still managed to stay underway and reached 23 knots, below its design speed of 29 knots.

The replacement boilers installed as part of the vessel's $2.3 billion refit were guaranteed for just ten months, which expired before the ship took to sea, he said.

official quoted by Kommersant newspaper on Monday, who prepared the Vikramaditya for sea trials, said the reason for the boilers' failure was that India refused to use asbestos to protect the boilers from heat, fearing that the material was dangerous for the crew. Instead, it used firebrick, which had poorer insulating properties.

Engineers are focusing on the boilers' heat insulation as the core of the problem. The worst case would be damage to the pipes carrying steam from the boilers, Shulyakovsky said. The pipes are made from a special steel which is no longer made in Russia. The steel used in Vikramaditya's pipes was made in Ukraine.

A new agreement was signed in 2009 with the Indians agreeing to pay for the extra work needed.Another Sevmash shipyard director, Vladimir Pastukhov, was fired in 2007 over his poor management of the project.

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120918/176030847.html

Both sides made mistakes again..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Jinxed Gorshkov Fails Trials, Delayed A Year More

In the latest in what is by far the most monumentally botched procurement by the Indian government, the Indian Navy's refurbished Russian aircraft carrier Vikramaditya (formerly Admiral Gorshkov) has failed full-power trials in the Barents Sea, part of its full fledged sea trials phase that began in June.

Some of the 44,500-ton warship's eight boilers malfunctioned during the strenuous full-steam trials (funny, the ship was actually mothballed for sale after a boiler room incident two decades ago). The bad -- no, crushing -- news: the ship won't be commissioned into Indian service, as planned, on Dec 4, Navy Day this year. Also, there's every possibility that the latest failures will bring with them a financial cost to the Indian Navy. Since contracting, the deal price has increased almost by a factor of three.

Sources say the ship's inability to withstand a full power test puts it back by at least 10 months. That means she won't be in Indian hands, conservatively, before October 2013, just weeks short of the 10-year mark. The Indian government signed the Gorshkov refit deal in January 2004.

The deal goes into the books as perhaps one of India's most ill-conceived, mismanaged, vitiated and unlucky procurements ever. Can't wait for a national audit report on the procurement.

Livefist: Jinxed Gorshkov Fails Trials, Delayed A Year More

 

[Austin]

Updated from itar-tass on Vicky

Indian Navy expect to get an aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" in April 2013

The naval forces of India expect to get an aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" (a former Russian aircraft carrier "Admiral Gorshkov") in April 2013. This was announced today the official representative of the Indian Navy a pm Satish.

"We hope to have an aircraft carrier in April," - quotes him news agency IANS.

The most difficult components of the test program the aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" succeed

Routine command aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya", consisting of specialists from Sevmash generally pleased with the results the test ship at sea, despite the shortcomings in its power plant. This was announced today by ITAR-TASS responsible deliverer carrier Igor Leonov.

"Last Friday was 100 days from the moment an aircraft carrier at sea trials. Still no ship created or upgraded by Russia's largest shipbuilding company, so long did not go to trial in the sea," - said Leonov.

He stressed that "despite technical defects in the boiler room of the ship power installation, commissioning team of Sevmash positive about the outcome of the tests."

"We believe - said Leone - that the most difficult components of the test program are successful ship." "The main purpose of the aircraft carrier, - he said, - provision of deployment and use of carrier-based aircraft. Recognized that the most tricky part of the test - this test aircraft and hardware ship. As part of these tests the aircraft carrier" Vikramaditya "was made about 100 successful flights by Russian pilots. All flights have been highly appreciated and our Navy, and Indian experts. "

Told deliverer ship, "simultaneously with working all the equipment and systems to ensure safety / performance brake machines and restraints / were optimized transport and refueling aircraft, flight dispatch support in various flight conditions, at different times, with different flight loads." "In fact, during these tests, we studied the organization vibrant communities carriers" - said its executive deliverer.

"The second objective of the tests - he said - is working out real operation of dozens of modern electronic weapons systems." "This problem has also been successfully implemented in full" - summed Leonov.

Against this background, he said, "identified in the tests and independent shipbuilders shortcomings in a number of boilers - this is annoying, but a technical problem, the elimination of which is not complicated or technical, or in terms of organization."

 

[Kunal Biswas]

"We have not received any official information about it. But according to initial reports we expect few months delay," Indian Navy officials said here in Delhi.

"We were expecting few glitches during the trials considering it is a huge project. However, the contract signed with the Russians cater for this and provides for 3-4 months of delay,"Indian Navy officials

"The contract caters for the delay. But if the delivery is pushed beyond this limit, we can also impose penalty," the Indian officials added. The Indian Navy remains optimistic and expects the delivery by October 2013. "The ship is still sailing and aircraft are operating from it. It is not that the ship is stricken or drifting," the Indian Navy officials added.

defence eXpress: Snags during trials push back Gorshkov delivery date

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Right Now, Boilers on Vikramaditya which are not KVG-4 boilers but has KVG-3D boilers. India requested that boilers' thermal lining would be replaced from asbestos to brick. During trials, this turned out to be not optimal. At least, that's the going theory.

Asbestos would be better for the purpose, but I guess health concerns would have been first priority. Asbestos can be molded to curved surfaces of boilers, and probably has better insulating properties. Refractory brick may contain asbestos.

 

[hit&run]

Indian navy is more naked without ACC as it was before when INS Viraat was getting repaired. What a sega of fraud and frustration this has become. I wonder someone will do due investigation for what has happened sofar. I can foresee Indian babus floating files here and there and navy waiting for parts either coming from Ukraine or mother Russia after few yeas this ACC in service with us.


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[Zebra]

Nothing to worry.

It's only tax payers money.

 

[Akim]

Question. And on Russia are penalty approvals laid on for violations of the terms of delivery of aircraft carrier?

 

[ice berg]

The penalties are paid by India, not Russia.

 

[Patriot]

Nothing to worry.

It's only tax payers money.

It's only ignorant helpless tax payers' money, who can not exercise the Right to Speech provided by the constitution in this regime.

 

[ace009]

I wonder how much the Gorshky will be worth after 5-6 delays in delivery and being delivered almost 5 years behind schedule.

 

[pankaj nema]

I wonder how much the Gorshky will be worth after 5-6 delays in delivery and being delivered almost 5 years behind schedule.

Gorshkov ie Vikramaditya will last for THIRTY years

SO it is still worth it

 

[tony4562]

I wonder how much the Gorshky will be worth after 5-6 delays in delivery and being delivered almost 5 years behind schedule.

This ship is for all practical purposes stricken. Any other country would have cancelled the contract and taken the russians to court, but knowing the importance India put on the friendship with Russia I'm pretty sure India would just swallow the bitter pill and begrudgingly accept a museum-quality ship in the end.

 

[tony4562]

Gorshkov ie Vikramaditya will last for THIRTY years

SO it is still worth it

Gorshkov was launched exactly 30 years ago and has endured numerous disasters. As a soviet era warship the hull is very much nearing the end of its usefulness. INS Viraat probably has more life left than Gorshkov does.