INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

[Armand2REP]

Hangar looks pretty long but narrowish...will do the job.

It does look very compressed even when empty...

 

[BangersAndMash]

Armand2REP, does France have any plans for new carriers?

(Sorry for the OT post)

 

[Payeng]

Armand2REP, does France have any plans for new carriers?

(Sorry for the OT post)

Their were plans for a new carrier which will share a common platform with Queen Elizabeth Class except that it will be catapult launch, while French plans got stalled UK is up for a second Queen Elizabeth Class, the Prince of Wales.

If France plans to induct it,it might be a conventionally powered one as oppose to CdG

 

[Armand2REP]

The plan was to share a second carrier with the RN, but since they scrapped cats and traps we have to build our own PA2.

 

[Neil]

 

[Neil]

 

[Galaxy]

Gorshkov air trials to begin mid-July

June 28, 2012

Interestingly, the fighters involved will include a Russian MiG-29K and a MiG-35 prototype, which was part of the Indian Air Force tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA).


The trials of the Aviation Facilities Complex onboard the Admiral Gorshkov, part of the ongoing sea trials of the carrier, are set to begin next month. These trials will test and prove the operational status of the equipment crucial for aviation operations off the carrier.

Equipment and facilities like navigational and landing aids, directional and control systems, deck lighting, arresting gear system, restraining gear (which are the equivalent of hydraulic chocks before the nose wheel and one of the main wheels, imposed before take-off) will be tested in these trials, expected to be completed over a period of three months.

The trials will also include testing of the aircraft lifts, electrical and fuel supply lines as well as the armament lifts. Navigational data intended to be fed directly into aircraft onboard will be checked for integrity and consistence.

The sea trials of the Admiral Gorshkov began on June 8 and now the vessel will move from the White Sea to the Barents Sea for the scrutiny of the capability of the aviation element of the vessel. These trials will be held off Severomosk, close to Murmansk, primarily because the Barents Sea is not prone to freezing like the White Sea.

The trials of the aviation element at this stage are crucial because of the tight seasonal schedules. October onwards, daylight and visibility become problematic that far north.

Besides the independent stand-alone testing of these systems, there will be a gradual increase in the tempo and scale of the trials with aircraft conducting 'Bolters', or touch and go maneuvers, as confidence in the individual systems is increasingly assured.

One significant feature of the Admiral Gorshkov, which will be tested, is its Microwave Landing System (MLS), an innovation that is miles ahead of the more common Instrument Landing System (ILS). While the purpose of the two systems is the same, the MLS brings much greater capability as it is multi-directional, in comparison to an ILS which can only guide aircraft in single straight lines. This allows aircraft to be separated horizontally until imminent landing.

Something else which will be tested to the limit is the carrier's Optical Landing System or OLS, which will provide pilots the terminal guidance for landing on the carrier.

Interestingly, the fighter aircraft involved in these trials will include one Russian MiG-29K (the surviving aircraft of two Russian, Low Series Production, or LSP aircraft) and a MiG-35 prototype, which was part of the Indian Air Force (IAF) tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA).

Besides these, helicopter trials will also take place, involving choppers flying to various reference points around the carrier to pick up and check the signal strength of the radar and other sensors and systems that aircraft will need to rely on for operating off the carrier. The carrier is expected to accommodate more than 30 fighter aircraft, besides helicopters, once operational and commissioned into the Indian Navy.

Although there is a 10-15 member strong Indian Navy team participating and monitoring the trials, all aircraft will be flown by Russian test pilots. Besides these monitors, there are already around 500 Indian personnel onboard the carrier, which will be known as the INS Vikramaditya once it is commissioned into the Indian Navy. The commissioning, expected sometime in December, remains on schedule.

The Commanding Officer is Captain Suraj Berry, a specialist gunnery officer who commanded the frigate, INS Talwar, earlier, and was also Defense Attache to Sri Lanka. The CO of the aviation component is a former Sea Harrier pilot.

Gorshkov air trials to begin mid-July | StratPost

 

[sayareakd]

One significant feature of the Admiral Gorshkov, which will be tested, is its Microwave Landing System (MLS), an innovation that is miles ahead of the more common Instrument Landing System (ILS). While the purpose of the two systems is the same, the MLS brings much greater capability as it is multi-directional, in comparison to an ILS which can only guide aircraft in single straight lines. This allows aircraft to be separated horizontally until imminent landing.

is this they are talking about ?

The carrier is expected to accommodate more than 30 fighter aircraft, besides helicopters, once operational and commissioned into the Indian Navy.

:thumb:

 

[Galaxy]

Aviation trials of Admiral Gorshkov to begin in July

 

[Payeng]

One significant feature of the Admiral Gorshkov, which will be tested, is its Microwave Landing System (MLS), an innovation that is miles ahead of the more common Instrument Landing System (ILS). While the purpose of the two systems is the same, the MLS brings much greater capability as it is multi-directional, in comparison to an ILS which can only guide aircraft in single straight lines. This allows aircraft to be separated horizontally until imminent landing.

 

[sayareakd]

US has this system for landing

these are light signals

 

[ashicjose]

That's a risk we have to live with. Lifts have long lives and can be repaired quickly anyway.

You are wrong dear, sometimes it will take days ... just to find out what is wrong and then only you can start your repairing.So its a bad bad idea to have only one lift in sensitive areas.

 

[pmaitra]

It would have been nice to have a larger hangar, and yes, it would have been nice to have two lifts capable of servicing fighters.

Let us not forget, no matter what deck modifications one does, the hull of the Vikramaditya is always, and I repeat, always going to be that of a cruiser. Whatever it has now, is the best it can have given its heritage.

 

[Armand2REP]

it would have been nice to get a ship whose hull isn't 30+ years old.

 

[Akim]

Re: Summary of comments from Oleg Kuleshov's blog

I have gotten two major posts from Oleg Kuleshov's blog translated as promised. The main points are provided under the original text in Cyrillic/Russian.

Disbelieve all, that for us write. It our nathional (Ukrainian, Belarussian, Russian) feature to accuse in failures other, when for you does not turn out. When the Chinese purchased an aerocarrier "Varyag", all knew in the world, that no casino they from him will not do. Did they finish building him much quicker, than redid in Severodvinsk already the prepared " Admiral Gorshkov "? Because they were helped by specialists which right through life built such ships.

 

[p2prada]

You are wrong dear, sometimes it will take days ... just to find out what is wrong and then only you can start your repairing.So its a bad bad idea to have only one lift in sensitive areas.

Well. I don't know how things work on ships, especially maintenance.

If the lift breaks down, it may be as you said or it may not be as you said.

Considering IN decided to stick with it despite the Gorky never having a fighter capable lift, we can only assume they may have some measures in place.

 

[ashicjose]

Well. I don't know how things work on ships, especially maintenance.

If the lift breaks down, it may be as you said or it may not be as you said.

Considering IN decided to stick with it despite the Gorky never having a fighter capable lift, we can only assume they may have some measures in place.

Anyone knows what kind of Elevator is installed in it ? hydraulic or traction with mono space or with machine room ?
whatever is it navy should provide periodic preventive maintenance and qualified people like me ( I wish if I could, being there to assist our Navy ) there 24x7 with proper stock of spare parts.

 

[Payeng]

Anyone knows what kind of Elevator is installed in it ? hydraulic or traction with mono space or with machine room ?
whatever is it navy should provide periodic preventive maintenance and qualified people like me ( I wish if I could, being there to assist our Navy ) there 24x7 with proper stock of spare parts.

It seems like a traction hydraulic combo..............

I think their will be a secondary electric, pneumatic and manual jack backup provision.

 

[pmaitra]

Re: Summary of comments from Oleg Kuleshov's blog

Disbelieve all, that for us write. It our nathional (Ukrainian, Belarussian, Russian) feature to accuse in failures other, when for you does not turn out. When the Chinese purchased an aerocarrier "Varyag", all knew in the world, that no casino they from him will not do. Did they finish building him much quicker, than redid in Severodvinsk already the prepared " Admiral Gorshkov "? Because they were helped by specialists which right through life built such ships.

Perhaps you are correct.

You should also go to Oleg Kuleshov's blog and post your views there. Let the world know about the different perspectives.

Link to Oleg Kuleshov's blog: Блог Кулешова Олега - INS Vikramaditya. (ex "Адмирал Горшков") #11

 

[pmaitra]

It seems like a traction hydraulic combo..............

I think their will be a secondary electric, pneumatic and manual jack backup provision.

It is obvious from the picture they have cable/pulley operated lifts; but in addition to that, they also have hydraulic, as per one blogger in Oleg Kuleshov's blog.

So, you are correct, it is combo.