INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

[Payeng]

^^
So CdG doesn't even have a ski jump?

How is that a smart design? For an aircraft carrier, this is disappointing; but for an aviation cruiser that Gorshkov was, the conversion to Vikramaditya deserves accolades. However, one has to admire someone who would stand by his own (own?) country.

CdG got catapults, and two, I have not seen videos of launch and recovery but it seems the launching positions are placed very close to the landing deck runway. :fear:

 

[Armand2REP]

CdG got catapults, and two, I have not seen videos of launch and recovery but it seems the launching positions are placed very close to the landing deck runway. :fear:

They are forward of the landing strip as not to interfere with recovery...

 

[Payeng]

^^ I mean engaging the flight deck for both launch and recovery purpose simultaneously or aircraft in standby position while another aircraft descends for a landing.

 

[Ganesh2691]

Indian Carrier Vikramaditya Exceeds Required Performance Characteristics


Indian aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya (former Russian aircraft carrying cruiser Admiral Gorshkov) will finish sea trials in the White Sea this week, a source in shipbuilding industry told ITAR-TASS today.

"Experts of Sevmash modernized the carrier are satisfied with the fact that the ship's characteristics exceeded required ones", pointed out the source.

"The ship runs trials by our crew; trial team and Indian naval officers are on board as well", he added.

The source said that in the next week Vikramaditya being replenished with fuel, water and food would set a course from the White Sea to the Barents Sea "to start test flights of deck-based MiG-29K fighters".

Earlier on, press secretary of Sevmash shipyard Anastasia Nikitinskaya said that "trials program will last 124 days".

A source in shipbuilding industry confirmed that it was planned to hand over the carrier to Indian Navy in December.

Representative of United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Kravchenko earlier said that "during the sea trials in the White Sea it is planned to test functioning of the carrier's basic systems, main and auxiliary powerplants, communication and navigational systems, and so on".

According to the intergovernmental package agreement tied in Jan 2004, the hull of Russian aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Gorshkov was handed over to Indian Navy for free with condition that the ship would be modernized at Sevmash shipyard and equipped wih Russian-made aircraft. In addition, Russia was to train Indian crew and construct the ship's basing infrastructure in the Indian Ocean. Overall cost of the contract was initially valued as $1.5 bln, and all retrofitting works were supposed to finish in 2008. However, the contract's implementation deadlines were postponed. Russia said the scope of works had been underrated and asked additional financing. On March 12, 2010 during the Putin's visit to India a supplementary agreement was signed. According to Indian sources, the Russian carrier will cost $2.33 bln. Her lifetime will last 30 years. Since 2004, Nevskoye Design Bureau, Sevmash shipyard and contracting organizations have carried out huge volume of works. The ship is equipped with deck and ski-ramp for MiG-29K fighters, repaired and upgraded for new missions hull is full of up-to-date equipment, and new cables with the length over 2,000 km were laid. The carrier got new navigation and radar systems, aircraft communication and control system. As a result, the shipyard has built a brand new ship.

Formerly named Baku, aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov joined Northern Fleet in 1987. After repairs and modernization, the ship's full displacement is 45,000 tons, overall length is 283.5 meters, overall beam is 59.8 meters. The ship may carry 30 aircraft including deck-based fighters MiG-29K and helicopters. Crew manpower is 1,924 men.


Indian Carrier Vikramaditya Exceeds Required Performance Characteristics

 

[Armand2REP]

^^ I mean engaging the flight deck for both launch and recovery purpose simultaneously or aircraft in standby position while another aircraft descends for a landing.

CdG has a forward elevator that is rated to carry Rafale as well as aft. The catapults are shortened so it doesn't cross into the landing area. This makes it so aircraft can launch and recover simultaneously. Gorky has two elevators but one can only carry helicopters and aircraft need to launch much further back making simultaneous recovery and launch impossible.

 

[Neil]

INS VIKRAMADITYA can carry max 13 mig29+4 kamov in Hanger.....last pic

 

[p2prada]

CdG has a forward elevator that is rated to carry Rafale as well as aft. The catapults are shortened so it doesn't cross into the landing area. This makes it so aircraft can launch and recover simultaneously. Gorky has two elevators but one can only carry helicopters and aircraft need to launch much further back making simultaneous recovery and launch impossible.

Half of Gorky's air complement are helicopters. The limitations of the second lift isn't as much as a problem as being portrayed by you.

Gorky can carry out landing and take off simultaneously when we are using the first take off point.

Looking at the images we have three take off points, the first two are for a loaded aircraft while the last one is for MTOW. So, the Gorky cannot handle a take off at MTOW and landing at the same time. Maybe there is plenty of space for readying the MTOW -29 for take off while recovering other aircraft.

Hangar bay of the Elizabeth class,

 

[Armand2REP]

Half of Gorky's air complement are helicopters. The limitations of the second lift isn't as much as a problem as being portrayed by you.

The helo lift is in the way of the most important launch point and too close to the end of the trap line to operate any helicopters while launching or recovering fixed wing. It is a huge problem. Gorky was never designed to launch fixed wing aircraft so when helos and VTOL Yaks were taking off it didn't matter. Now it does with conversion to conventional takeoff.

Gorky can carry out landing and take off simultaneously when we are using the first take off point.

It is the same concept as the Admiral K, Su-33s using the transit launch station can only take off with a half tank of fuel and no stores. They have to use the operational launch station for combat as it allows a full tank and full loadout of A2A weapons. The same limitations will apply to MiG-29K on Gorky.

Looking at the images we have three take off points, the first two are for a loaded aircraft while the last one is for MTOW. So, the Gorky cannot handle a take off at MTOW and landing at the same time. Maybe there is plenty of space for readying the MTOW -29 for take off while recovering other aircraft.

There are only two launch stations... and the transit station cannot carry weapons unless you drop even lower fuel and load a couple missiles for a short trip into the drink. There is no such thing as MTOW without catapults or a full strip.

Hangar bay of the Elizabeth class,

Isn't that special... no AWACs and one helo.

 

[Payeng]

CdG has a forward elevator that is rated to carry Rafale as well as aft. The catapults are shortened so it doesn't cross into the landing area. This makes it so aircraft can launch and recover simultaneously. Gorky has two elevators but one can only carry helicopters and aircraft need to launch much further back making simultaneous recovery and launch impossible.

I dont think any Aircraft carrier other then the American can have a simultaneous launch and recovery capability, even if it is possible their would be safety protocol barring such operation. The launch point is to close to landing lines. Even the US must be doing simultaneous launch in utmost necessary.

 

[p2prada]

The helo lift is in the way of the most important launch point and too close to the end of the trap line to operate any helicopters while launching or recovering fixed wing. It is a huge problem. Gorky was never designed to launch fixed wing aircraft so when helos and VTOL Yaks were taking off it didn't matter. Now it does with conversion to conventional takeoff.

Gorky won't carry more than 16 Mig-29Ks apart from 10 special mission helicopters in an operational sense. Bigger carriers have 2 lifts for 60 aircraft as compared to one lift for 16 aircraft on Gorky. I still don't see it as a problem. Helis can use both lifts anyway.

It is the same concept as the Admiral K, Su-33s using the transit launch station can only take off with a half tank of fuel and no stores. They have to use the operational launch station for combat as it allows a full tank and full loadout of A2A weapons. The same limitations will apply to MiG-29K on Gorky.

There are only two launch stations... and the transit station cannot carry weapons unless you drop even lower fuel and load a couple missiles for a short trip into the drink.

I won't be so sure with the Mig-29Ks. It's loaded weight with 5 tons of fuel is 18 tons. The thrust delivered is 18.8 tons during take off. Even T/W is beyond what is required for a loaded take off. That's plenty for a 29K to take off with full fuel load and air to air missiles from the first station. We already discussed this before.

There is no such thing as MTOW without catapults or a full strip.

We discussed this as well. The take off capability from third point is 22.5 tons, pretty much the MTOW of Mig-29K or full fuel load and 4.5 tons of bombs, one ton short of MTOW.

Isn't that special... no AWACs and one helo.

Finally something I can agree with.

 

[ashicjose]

Its not good to have only one lift for the A/Cs suppose if the same lift is not working in a war like situation .....

 

[p2prada]

That's a risk we have to live with. Lifts have long lives and can be repaired quickly anyway.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

INS VIKRAMADITYA can carry max 13 mig29+4 kamov in Hanger.....last pic

This is a fan boy picture..

Not something in real, In reality Vikramaditya can carry 30, that means 15 or more can be carried inside..

Here is a article on it:

 

[binayak95]

Heard that Gorshkov deck space has been increased to enable it to carry atleast 20 odd MIG 29K and another 10 helicopters which is why the tonnage has now increased to 47500??

 

[binayak95]

The Gorshkov as it was in the Soviet Navy

INS Vikramaditya heading out for sea trials.Notice that significantly better looking ski jump instead of the P500 Bazalt missiles.
What is that Tower like structure behind the Island? Is it a landing aid??

 

[Armand2REP]

INS VIKRAMADITYA can carry max 13 mig29+4 kamov in Hanger.....last pic

She will probably be carrying 12 MiGs since that is the combat compliment of a squadron. I guess they could have a couple trainers on there but it is useless in a war situation.

 

[bhramos]

few snaps of Vikky under sea trials, posted by Igorr.

 

[bhramos]

 

[bhramos]

Hangar looks pretty long but narrowish...will do the job.

Mess deck

and officer's mess..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

What is that Tower like structure behind the Island? Is it a landing aid??

Some communication, ecm and other electronic systems..