INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier
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The original photo was enlarged to make a poster and another photo was taken of the poster, so resolution was lost. That's my guess.why that pic's quality is blurry and looks like the picture was taken on 1980
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This was mid size Merchant Vessel not different from a Frigate or Destroyer..
is that a real picture? can you please provide me more details regarding this picture? what's exactly is happening in that pic? what's going on in there? did brahmos really sank that fishing boat?
PJ-10
300 kg Conventional semi-armour-piercing warhead, And it hit at Low in mid ship, Causing it to tear into two and sank..
Another Victim this was a Petya class Corvette, Same Mid ship hit, taking out what so ever in middle..
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Not to nit pick posts, but that's false Mr. Biswas. The refited Gorshkov can only carry between 12 and 14 Mig 29K's. Look it up. That's ther only reason India chose to use the Mig 29K in the first place, because the Su33 is much larger, and the Vikramaditya would be able to carry less than 10 due to a rather limited hangar deck, which mind you was never designed to carry large conventional fixed wing jets (the Kiev class previously operated small VTOL fighters for air defense).
On the other hand, the ex-Varyag was as designed, capable of carrying 26 Su33 plus helos, but then during refit, its HUGE P700 Granit VLS tubes were plugged and the hanger extended, pushing the number of fixed wing jets its capable of carrying past 30. Not to mention the 18x8 VLS SAM cells which have probably been removed to free up even more space.
The ex-Varyag then can carry more than twice the fixed wing jets the Vikramaditya can. And trying to insinuate that the MIG 29K is a superior platform to the J15, which mind you is a completely upgraded Su33 (making it basically a carrier-borne j11B) is just being silly.
Looking forward to a meaningful discussion ie. please don't flame this out and post replies like the ex-Varyag is "junk", etc etc, replies in terms of military capability would be most welcome.
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U.S. experts said Varyag aircraft carrier battle groups exist four defects
U.S. military experts Acres June 1, wrote in Wired magazine, China's first aircraft carrier Varyag four major defects exist, the year the water will not pose a threat to the United States.
First, the aircraft carrier Varyag may have gathered more than ten vessels deployed to the multi-national carrier in the Pacific, where China's aircraft carrier will not account for the number of advantages;
Second, carrier-based aircraft carrier Varyag enough in fighting formation, the F -15 fighter F/A-18E/F Super Hornet worse than the U.S., but has not advanced electronic fighters, transport planes and fixed-wing carrier-based early warning aircraft, and This gap will widen.
Third, the aircraft carrier Varyag extremely fragile self-defense capability, the lack of adequate escort of submarines and warships.
Fourth, China has not resolved the problem developed advanced engine, it will be the largest aircraft carrier Varyag weakness.
U.S. media said the USS good work cell ready to be tested this summer, the sea from the Dalian shipyard. So, how should the world of Chinese aircraft carrier? This is based on different objects to look at.
In a close neighbor of China, it seems, the Chinese aircraft carrying armed fighters into the world's waters, this vision is more threatening. But for the world's largest aircraft carrier force, the Chinese navy's largest rivals – the U.S. Navy, it seems not be affected.
Varyag aircraft carrier
The conversion of Varyag aircraft carrier bridge part has been completed, the picture shows a variety of advanced radar equipment installed
The Pentagon's calm for a reason. Strictly speaking, Varyag is a training with the aircraft carrier, designed for the next few years or even decades to pave the way for the emergence of powerful aircraft carrier.
Even if used in combat, there is no need to worry. Careful observation of the aircraft and its carrier aircraft will find that the volume is not big enough, but compared with the U.S. aircraft carrier, but also the lack of many powerful devices.
After serving the next few months, if not from China itself, then the Varyag will enhance the PLA Navy's ability to patrol the disputed waters. But, more importantly, the carrier is also good at this. U.S. Pacific forces commander Admiral Robert Willard, to the Senate in April, said: "I think the views of the area will change dramatically." He said he was "not worried" that the aircraft carrier military influence.
Advantage of China's aircraft carrier number does not account for
Varyag aircraft carrier will be gathered into the Pacific. First, there has been a U.S. aircraft carrier: five nuclear-powered super-carrier, the other in California and Japan, there are six assault. Among these, the U.S. aircraft carrier not less than 70,000 tons displacement, can carry 60 aircraft. Last year, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said: "We can carry the Navy at sea, the total number of aircraft is the rest of the world total number of aircraft equipped with the Navy twice." (In comparison, only 60,000 tons of Chinese aircraft carrier displacement , aircraft and helicopters can carry more than 40.)
Japan has two 1.8 million tons displacement of the assault, plus two under construction. Now, the assault ship can carry only a few helicopters, but it may eventually be equipped with vertical landing F-35B stealth fighter. South Korea four planned 14,000 tons displacement of the aircraft carrier was also the case, Australia has two aircraft carriers in the construction of 30,000 tons displacement.
Thailand, 1.2 million tons CHAKRI NARUEBET aircraft carrier is an exception: too small, the aircraft can carry less, but still equipped with vertical landing Harrier aircraft.
India and Russia are mature, capable of carrying aircraft carrier. Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov Varyag is actually a sister ship, carrying a dozen of its Su -33 fighter F-15 and China is very similar. Recently. Kuznetsov, mainly in the Mediterranean activities. India 30,000 tons displacement, "virrat" Harrier aircraft carrier and 30 fighter planes and helicopters to defend the Indian Ocean.
U.S. media said, in the Pacific has been or is about to appear in a total of 22 aircraft carriers, not a part of China's close allies. Now, the U.S. aircraft carrier often with Japan, South Korea, Thailand and India aircraft travel together. And Beijing can not have such an international maritime force.
Carrier-based aircraft carrier fleet combat capability deficiency
The Pentagon believes that a strong air force aircraft will be strong. This is the average annual cost of the U.S. Navy to build a new fighter $ 15,000,000,000 reasons, and this level of expenditure on basic and Air Force flat.
Now, a Navy super carrier can carry about 70 aircraft. F/A-18 fighters, E/A-6B or E/A-18G electronic fighters, E-2 early warning aircraft, C-2 and H-60 "‹"‹transport aircraft carrier series helicopters are part of them.
The form of patrol aircraft to the team, track and attack targets below and above the water surface to the carrier transport materials and personnel. Varyag is not close to the aircraft with this portfolio and capabilities. China's J-15 fighters and F-18 similar, but the flight range of small F-18 sensor is not as precise, and less weapons available. Cards can be used to search for submarines, helicopters -28.
U.S. media that the PLA Navy, and no electronic fighter, transport or fixed-wing carrier-based aircraft carrier. There are rumors that the Chinese have a copy of E-2 models. E-2 requires a transmitter to help them off steam, but the aircraft carrier Varyag steam ejection device is not installed.
China is testing the Z-8 helicopters. However, this setting can only provide E-2 range and endurance required part of the force. The next decade, this gap will increase, because the United States would eventually deploy jet powered UAV, the initial version has been tested in the California desert.
Self-defense capability is extremely weak
U.S. media said the convoy Shi Lang is also limited. To protect the value of 10 billion dollars in aircraft and air forces from air attack, while several U.S. Navy destroyers and frigates protection attachment carrier.
The accompanying vessels, each vessel is equipped with super-advanced Aegis radar, equipped with 100 or more pieces of the ship to air missiles. With most other countries, compared to the entire naval fleet, a U.S. aircraft carrier battle groups at sea with high-power radar and missiles are more.
U.S. media said only two Chinese Navy's Aegis destroyers with the U.S. match, but a number of ships under construction. Type 052C destroyer missile capable of carrying half the number of American destroyers and radar capabilities can not simultaneously track dozens of targets closer than the Aegis. According to U.S. standards, Shi Lang's defense on the water is very low.
U.S. media said, in the water, the situation is even worse. U.S. aircraft carrier with a water vessel: at least one nuclear-powered attack submarines. The role of the submarine is to patrol in front of the aircraft carrier, the search hostile ships – especially other submarines. After all, the world's most lethal submarine warships killer.
The PLA Navy has two 093-type submarines, can be long-range patrols. This is far short of the submarine escort. But communication is a bigger problem. In order to collaborate with surface ships and submarines, the United States and other mature to rely on a special aircraft, the Navy installed ultra-low frequency radio frequency radio is also required, surface ships and submarines in the dialogue between.
This system is not perfect in China. In 2007, "China's future nuclear submarine force," a book wrote: "Since restrictions on submarine communications technology, the PLA Navy submarines can currently only a relatively limited tactical control." Therefore, Shi Lang may not be able to rely on submarines to protect them.
Engine problem persists
Compared with the U.S. aircraft carrier, in addition to the volume is not enough, the Varyag air forces and security forces are not perfect, but not accompanied by Allied aircraft. So the threat did not seem so strong. Moreover, the largest Varyag potential weaknesses in it, that engine.
U.S. media said the power plant – the aircraft's jet engines, turbine engines of vessels – is the most complex of all weapons systems, the most expensive components most prone to problems. Pentagon F-35 stealth fighter and the U.S. Navy San Antonio-class amphibious ship had encountered engine problems.
U.S. media said the Chinese are working hard over the years the design and construction of warships and aircraft carriers suitable power plant. Although China's aviation manufacturing enterprises in the more progressive aspects of the fuselage, but has not yet mastered the technical aspects of the engine. This is the new WZ-10 attack helicopters to postpone the reason for nearly a decade, is J-20 prototype with two different reasons: one using Russian-made AL-13F engine; a Chinese design with smaller thrust – WS-10A.
It is reported that China purchased from the Ukraine, turbine engines, installed on the Varyag. While certainly better than China's own production of the engine is better, but according to Western standards, Ukraine engines may not be reliable. Kuznetsov of Russia is Ukraine's turbine engine installed, there has long been a problem, the 30-year service period, had regular maintenance at the port. In water, the back is always a tug to follow to prevent failure of the aircraft carrier. Varyag with them if the same situation, then it is only skin deep Bale.
Taiwan's National Chengchi University, Arthur S. Ding, a research fellow of Chinese politics, said: "With the expansion of China's interests in the world, the Chinese navy is far further into the water, the need for aircraft carriers." If so, then China may have to wait after the Varyag appear more powerful aircraft carrier.
U.S. experts said Varyag aircraft carrier battle groups exist four defects | WAREYE
U.S. military experts Acres June 1, wrote in Wired magazine, China's first aircraft carrier Varyag four major defects exist, the year the water will not pose a threat to the United States.
First, the aircraft carrier Varyag may have gathered more than ten vessels deployed to the multi-national carrier in the Pacific, where China's aircraft carrier will not account for the number of advantages;
Second, carrier-based aircraft carrier Varyag enough in fighting formation, the F -15 fighter F/A-18E/F Super Hornet worse than the U.S., but has not advanced electronic fighters, transport planes and fixed-wing carrier-based early warning aircraft, and This gap will widen.
Third, the aircraft carrier Varyag extremely fragile self-defense capability, the lack of adequate escort of submarines and warships.
Fourth, China has not resolved the problem developed advanced engine, it will be the largest aircraft carrier Varyag weakness.
U.S. media said the USS good work cell ready to be tested this summer, the sea from the Dalian shipyard. So, how should the world of Chinese aircraft carrier? This is based on different objects to look at.
In a close neighbor of China, it seems, the Chinese aircraft carrying armed fighters into the world's waters, this vision is more threatening. But for the world's largest aircraft carrier force, the Chinese navy's largest rivals – the U.S. Navy, it seems not be affected.
Varyag aircraft carrier
The conversion of Varyag aircraft carrier bridge part has been completed, the picture shows a variety of advanced radar equipment installed
The Pentagon's calm for a reason. Strictly speaking, Varyag is a training with the aircraft carrier, designed for the next few years or even decades to pave the way for the emergence of powerful aircraft carrier.
Even if used in combat, there is no need to worry. Careful observation of the aircraft and its carrier aircraft will find that the volume is not big enough, but compared with the U.S. aircraft carrier, but also the lack of many powerful devices.
After serving the next few months, if not from China itself, then the Varyag will enhance the PLA Navy's ability to patrol the disputed waters. But, more importantly, the carrier is also good at this. U.S. Pacific forces commander Admiral Robert Willard, to the Senate in April, said: "I think the views of the area will change dramatically." He said he was "not worried" that the aircraft carrier military influence.
Advantage of China's aircraft carrier number does not account for
Varyag aircraft carrier will be gathered into the Pacific. First, there has been a U.S. aircraft carrier: five nuclear-powered super-carrier, the other in California and Japan, there are six assault. Among these, the U.S. aircraft carrier not less than 70,000 tons displacement, can carry 60 aircraft. Last year, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said: "We can carry the Navy at sea, the total number of aircraft is the rest of the world total number of aircraft equipped with the Navy twice." (In comparison, only 60,000 tons of Chinese aircraft carrier displacement , aircraft and helicopters can carry more than 40.)
Japan has two 1.8 million tons displacement of the assault, plus two under construction. Now, the assault ship can carry only a few helicopters, but it may eventually be equipped with vertical landing F-35B stealth fighter. South Korea four planned 14,000 tons displacement of the aircraft carrier was also the case, Australia has two aircraft carriers in the construction of 30,000 tons displacement.
Thailand, 1.2 million tons CHAKRI NARUEBET aircraft carrier is an exception: too small, the aircraft can carry less, but still equipped with vertical landing Harrier aircraft.
India and Russia are mature, capable of carrying aircraft carrier. Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov Varyag is actually a sister ship, carrying a dozen of its Su -33 fighter F-15 and China is very similar. Recently. Kuznetsov, mainly in the Mediterranean activities. India 30,000 tons displacement, "virrat" Harrier aircraft carrier and 30 fighter planes and helicopters to defend the Indian Ocean.
U.S. media said, in the Pacific has been or is about to appear in a total of 22 aircraft carriers, not a part of China's close allies. Now, the U.S. aircraft carrier often with Japan, South Korea, Thailand and India aircraft travel together. And Beijing can not have such an international maritime force.
Carrier-based aircraft carrier fleet combat capability deficiency
The Pentagon believes that a strong air force aircraft will be strong. This is the average annual cost of the U.S. Navy to build a new fighter $ 15,000,000,000 reasons, and this level of expenditure on basic and Air Force flat.
Now, a Navy super carrier can carry about 70 aircraft. F/A-18 fighters, E/A-6B or E/A-18G electronic fighters, E-2 early warning aircraft, C-2 and H-60 "‹"‹transport aircraft carrier series helicopters are part of them.
The form of patrol aircraft to the team, track and attack targets below and above the water surface to the carrier transport materials and personnel. Varyag is not close to the aircraft with this portfolio and capabilities. China's J-15 fighters and F-18 similar, but the flight range of small F-18 sensor is not as precise, and less weapons available. Cards can be used to search for submarines, helicopters -28.
U.S. media that the PLA Navy, and no electronic fighter, transport or fixed-wing carrier-based aircraft carrier. There are rumors that the Chinese have a copy of E-2 models. E-2 requires a transmitter to help them off steam, but the aircraft carrier Varyag steam ejection device is not installed.
China is testing the Z-8 helicopters. However, this setting can only provide E-2 range and endurance required part of the force. The next decade, this gap will increase, because the United States would eventually deploy jet powered UAV, the initial version has been tested in the California desert.
Self-defense capability is extremely weak
U.S. media said the convoy Shi Lang is also limited. To protect the value of 10 billion dollars in aircraft and air forces from air attack, while several U.S. Navy destroyers and frigates protection attachment carrier.
The accompanying vessels, each vessel is equipped with super-advanced Aegis radar, equipped with 100 or more pieces of the ship to air missiles. With most other countries, compared to the entire naval fleet, a U.S. aircraft carrier battle groups at sea with high-power radar and missiles are more.
U.S. media said only two Chinese Navy's Aegis destroyers with the U.S. match, but a number of ships under construction. Type 052C destroyer missile capable of carrying half the number of American destroyers and radar capabilities can not simultaneously track dozens of targets closer than the Aegis. According to U.S. standards, Shi Lang's defense on the water is very low.
U.S. media said, in the water, the situation is even worse. U.S. aircraft carrier with a water vessel: at least one nuclear-powered attack submarines. The role of the submarine is to patrol in front of the aircraft carrier, the search hostile ships – especially other submarines. After all, the world's most lethal submarine warships killer.
The PLA Navy has two 093-type submarines, can be long-range patrols. This is far short of the submarine escort. But communication is a bigger problem. In order to collaborate with surface ships and submarines, the United States and other mature to rely on a special aircraft, the Navy installed ultra-low frequency radio frequency radio is also required, surface ships and submarines in the dialogue between.
This system is not perfect in China. In 2007, "China's future nuclear submarine force," a book wrote: "Since restrictions on submarine communications technology, the PLA Navy submarines can currently only a relatively limited tactical control." Therefore, Shi Lang may not be able to rely on submarines to protect them.
Engine problem persists
Compared with the U.S. aircraft carrier, in addition to the volume is not enough, the Varyag air forces and security forces are not perfect, but not accompanied by Allied aircraft. So the threat did not seem so strong. Moreover, the largest Varyag potential weaknesses in it, that engine.
U.S. media said the power plant – the aircraft's jet engines, turbine engines of vessels – is the most complex of all weapons systems, the most expensive components most prone to problems. Pentagon F-35 stealth fighter and the U.S. Navy San Antonio-class amphibious ship had encountered engine problems.
U.S. media said the Chinese are working hard over the years the design and construction of warships and aircraft carriers suitable power plant. Although China's aviation manufacturing enterprises in the more progressive aspects of the fuselage, but has not yet mastered the technical aspects of the engine. This is the new WZ-10 attack helicopters to postpone the reason for nearly a decade, is J-20 prototype with two different reasons: one using Russian-made AL-13F engine; a Chinese design with smaller thrust – WS-10A.
It is reported that China purchased from the Ukraine, turbine engines, installed on the Varyag. While certainly better than China's own production of the engine is better, but according to Western standards, Ukraine engines may not be reliable. Kuznetsov of Russia is Ukraine's turbine engine installed, there has long been a problem, the 30-year service period, had regular maintenance at the port. In water, the back is always a tug to follow to prevent failure of the aircraft carrier. Varyag with them if the same situation, then it is only skin deep Bale.
Taiwan's National Chengchi University, Arthur S. Ding, a research fellow of Chinese politics, said: "With the expansion of China's interests in the world, the Chinese navy is far further into the water, the need for aircraft carriers." If so, then China may have to wait after the Varyag appear more powerful aircraft carrier.
U.S. experts said Varyag aircraft carrier battle groups exist four defects | WAREYE
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Compared to the super carriers(carrier groups) USNV has, anything else would look like rubbish. But that's the wrong kind comparison since any carrier(s) China has now or in the near future, are not meant to battle USNV on the high-seas. Like the carriers of IN, they are prestige and power projection tools, particularly useful in peace time on humanitarian missions. From PLAN's view point, carriers are something that probably only have very limited usage in an actual combat scenario, a reason that China waited so long to develop a carrier force. Britain were open to sell harrier jets (perhaps also 1 or 2 Invincible-class carriers) to China in the 80's when China had much better political relationships with the west, but a cash-strapped China decided otherwise. Now, China awash with money, she could finally afford this luxury thing called carrier.
Who knows, 50 years from now the world geopolitical/economical balance could be very different from what it is today (it is already very differnt than it was 30 years ago), US might find it economically not viable to operate even a few carriers. China, on the other hand, could have an economy several times larger. China could have very different uses for her carriers then.
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I don't know why people can't wait to discredit Varyag and/or to talk about how vulnerable it can be in a real battle. I believe it's a common sense, thought the possibility using it for power projection can NOT be totally omitted, that China will mainly make best of it as test platform, learning carrier warfare, and most of all a strategic use of CSG. No matter how people think of those Chinese members in this or other forum, the past records/behavior of CCP should has already been able to convince everyone it's NOT that impatient or rude one, not to mention the cheap cost PLAN acquire Varyag makes it totally justified to only use it for test, instead fighting, at least for next 5~10 years.
A more reasonable scenario to discuss, and spend our time on, will be discussing when and how China got MANY, MANY MORE THAN JUST A CARRIER.
A more reasonable scenario to discuss, and spend our time on, will be discussing when and how China got MANY, MANY MORE THAN JUST A CARRIER.
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So many !!! Hmmm
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Please don't talk about "after 50 years and after 30 years, this country will be like this and that country will have this and that". See and talk about the present situation in the WORLD. Who knows whether we will be living on this earth in the next minute or so. Comparing about something after 30-50 years is a waste of time and B*** S***...........
You have a valid point, I agree. All I am saying is that carriers will serve China the same way carriers have been serving India, mainly as a status symbol.
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Ours have gone to war and proven itself. So I think it would be invalid to say that it is just used as a status power.
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You need to give a look at the thread, And read my post well..
Indian Navy wanted to put SU-30MKIN on board Vikramaditya but it was rejected in favor of MIG-29K coz MIG-29K was a tested product, IN also send RFI for SU-33 but Russian denied it as the were about to dump them in favor of MIG-29K, As their are no production facility nor spares and high cost of maintenance, All these were repeated in this thread..
Indian purchased more than 45 Mig-29k, INS Vikramaditya is deign to carry out 24 MIG-29K with Mix 10 of KH-31 ( ASW & AWACS ) and Sea Kings / New Helo with ASHM capability..
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/russia-delivers-new-batch-of-five-mig-29-naval-fighters-to-india/articleshow/8660151.cms
Regarding MIG-29K is a different class than SU-33, But its far better suited for Naval Operations than SU-33/J15..
Why i mentioned abt Indian MIG-29K are superior to SU-33 is coz of its avionics and range is not a issue, AFAIK, J15 don't carry PJ-10 derivatives which put them with KH-25 & KH-31A with Chinese ASM ( If exist to carry under J15 from carrier deck ), Similar to MIG-29K type weaponry..
But do PLAN have Buddy buddy refueling on carrier aircrafts ?..
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But, Kunal Bhai how many jets can INS- VIKRAMADITYA carry with it ?
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also, vikrant class carrier can carry
29 Mikoyan MiG-29K or HAL Tejas + 10 Ka-31 'Helix' or HAL Dhruv
as per wiki
29 Mikoyan MiG-29K or HAL Tejas + 10 Ka-31 'Helix' or HAL Dhruv
as per wiki
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INS Vikramaditya can carry 24 MIG-29K or NLCA OR mix of Both as 24 below deck and above deck..
Russia delivers new batch of five MiG-29 naval fighters to India - The Economic Times
Russia delivers new batch of five MiG-29 naval fighters to India - The Economic Times
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Both carriers will carry mix of MIG-29k and NLCA..
That how if One MIG-29K lost their will be replacement..
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kunal bhai,
do you think we can increase the numbers if we carry only small NLCA instead of mixed bag of 29k/nlca?
do you think we can increase the numbers if we carry only small NLCA instead of mixed bag of 29k/nlca?
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The Russians didn't modernise and resume production of the Su33 because the Mig 29K production line had already been opened for the Indians. It had nothing to do with the 29K being superior to the Su33. The russians actually tried to push China into buying 36 modernized Su33's so they could then piggy back on the production line like they did on the 29K and on the Talwar frigate.
Saying the avionics suites on the J15 are inferior to russian avionics on the Mig 29K is simply being speculative. It's a well known fact that the China has surpassed russia in digital electronics and software, I mean even the JF17, which by the way is just a product for export with no PLAAF interest has over a million lines of code embedded in its avionics, just imagine how complex the electronics and software codes are on the PLAAF's and PLANAF's most advanced front line fighters (by the way, the J15 is a brand new, just entering production jet ie, one of the PLANAF's most advanced fighters).
And then apart from avionics and what not, the J15 is simply a much better platform in terms of aerodynamics and performance. Why do you think the Indian and Russian Navy wanted a flanker variant on their aircraft carriers? And range is NOT irrelevant my friend. The further a carrier-borne fighter's range, the greater a carries radius of influence, and as far as I know, the J15 outranges the 29K. I honestly dont know about buddy-buddy refueling in the PLANAF, so I cant comment on that one. The J15 DOES have a retractable air-to-air refueling probe though, which points towards that.
The fact is, ex-Varyag is much larger, which translates to a larger flight deck, ie, longer take-off runs, ie larger payloads for the more powerful and larger flankers. Another thing, the ex-Varyag can carry almost two 16 wing squadrons, where-as the Vikramaditya can barely carry 1.
The bottom line is, ex-Varyag was actually built to be a full-length STOVL carrier rather than being a STOVL conversion.
That translates to better handling qualities than a modified "Kiev", both in terms of no of aircraft carried and flight deck operations. Borrowing a line from an Armchair General poster on the matter:
"As for the overall advantage of the Varyag:
1.) Better deck lay out for movement of planes to and from hangar
2.) Better hanger placement
3.) Larger means more deck space for take off speed"
But its not like I'm trying to put Vikramaditya down, even you must know that it was only intended to be a stop-gap measure. If you want to compare carriers of the same class, it would be better to compare ex-Varyag with your indegenous carrier. They're more comparable in terms of flight deck structuring and aircraft carried.
Another extract:
"In terms of sortie rate, the Varyag takes it. The deck layout of the Vikramaditya is awkward. Both carriers cannot launched and recover aircraft at the same time (Not really a bad thing, even the French carrier can't do this). The Varyag can lauched 3 aircraft within 1 minute while the Vikramaditya can launched 2. Furthermore, elevator location on the Vikramaditya is inefficient and is not conducive to deck parking.
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