INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

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India's entire carrier procurement framework has been irrational & nonsensical.

Buying outdated carriers at exorbitant prices, building local carriers in weird one-off class, and then dreaming of a 3rd carrier. I'm glad the CDS shot these ridiculous ideas down.

A P5 country with interests all over the globe like UK which has a habit of getting into expeditionary wars went without carriers for several years, why IN felt it important enough to pour such resources into a sub-par ship with a sub-par airwing like Vikramaditya is beyond me.

Russia is/was too desperate for money to dictate terms to anyone - but that doesn't stop them from making you think they can. That's negotiation 101. Other than India no one would be willing to pay Russia billions to buy a rustbucket & to keep Sevmash well-fed.

And at this point no one with an ounce of integrity can deny with a straight face that there was huge corruption in the whole Vikky affair. Shameful conduct by IN brass. It's clear the Russians had them by the [email protected]
UK is an American bitch and in that way they have 11 carriers. India has its needs and carrier even outdated is effective in our region against Pakistan and Chinese ships. When we do not have our industry that is capable and competent then less than optimal decisions is the natural consequence combined with corruption, leftist views, lethargy, no spirit to work in the iterests of country and so on. Outdated carrier in 71 was still useful and this is not as outdated as you think....not sure what you are comparing it against( Nimitz or Ford class?)

Corruption built over nearly 1000 years is not going to go away in a decade, its a culture thing and because of that one can't just pack up and do yajna.....country still has to navigate through it.
 

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Yes, US Navy would have acted as detterence had the USSR came to help....Anyway, what UK does has no relevance to us. We have our own requirements and we are still a subcontinent and they are shadow of their past.
Could have made another twin vikrant instead of going to buy vikki.first they told it was free and pay money just for re configuration then asked more money or else they will keep it in their navy.navy is pitching now ins vishal as replacement for vikramaditya that alone tells that it will be retired in the 30s
 

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Could have made another twin vikrant instead of going to buy vikki.first they told it was free and pay money just for re configuration then asked more money or else they will keep it in their navy.navy is pitching now ins vishal as replacement for vikramaditya that alone tells that it will be retired in the 30s
It was a contingency as the sole functional antique carrier was overdue for retirement, let our industry deliver the first one on time. Vikramaditya, INS Chakra are strategic acquisitions for India and can't be acquired openly on the market....all projects of carrier scale overrun estimates budget and time especially considering Russia industry after the 90s collapse and us not having options to go somewhere else.....it will stay till 2040s or 50s.

Ton of Russian input went into 1st indigenous one....so do not discount that partnership and may not have happened if vikramaditya was not purchased. Probably the last deal for us on carriers hopefully and nuke subs
 

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Russia’s sole aircraft carrier may get latest radio-technical equipment



Rezistor-E system


The Rezistor-E system has been developed and produced by the Chelyabinsk Research Institute of Measuring and Radio-Technical Equipment. By now, two Rezistor-E systems have been delivered to India. In particular, the Indian Navy’s flagship, the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya (the Russian Navy’s former carrier Admiral Gorshkov) upgraded at the Sevmash Shipyard in Russia’s northwest and delivered to the Indian side is outfitted with this system.


According to the data of the Chelyabinsk Research Institute of Measuring and Radio-Technical Equipment, Indian Navy pilots have already conducted over 1,500 landings on the carrier’s deck and the Rezistor-E system "performed splendidly."


The Rezistor-E system features a digital channel of data exchange with deck-based MiG-29K/MiG-29KUB fighter aircraft operating in the Indian and Russian Navies.


"The Rezistor-E equipment for the aircraft carrier Vikrant under construction in India was delivered on schedule," the Chelyabinsk Research Institute said.

 

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dharmic aeroplate v2 (@daeroplate_v2) Tweeted:
we spent $1b on refurbishing Vikky, another $1b on Mig29K air wing, 1 honeytrap scandal, what did our tax payer money get? a 'training carrier' that is barely able to sail 2 weeks in last 2 yrs, a 29K unable to take sustained shocks of carrier landings and zero accountability.


 

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dharmic aeroplate v2 (@daeroplate_v2) Tweeted:
we spent $1b on refurbishing Vikky, another $1b on Mig29K air wing, 1 honeytrap scandal, what did our tax payer money get? a 'training carrier' that is barely able to sail 2 weeks in last 2 yrs, a 29K unable to take sustained shocks of carrier landings and zero accountability.


Well, the allegations are too serious to be ignored.
Especially if the statement 'barely able to sail two weeks in the last 2 years' is true.

I like many Indians do not feel the need to align either with the Russians or the Americans. I would like to align only with India. We should in an ideal situation design and manufacture all the weapons that our country needs. Including the components which make up the weapon systems. So our foreign policy should be to take assistance from any non hostile country which helps us to achieve our long-term goal of total self reliance. On terms and conditions acceptable to us and which does not compromise our strategic autonomy and independence.

I accept that in a war situation, the Vikramaditya will become operational in spite of the short comings. Our Navy chaps will ensure that it sets sail to fight.

But the truth needs to be told. Is the Vikramaditya and it's air wing in such dire straits. Or is it mudslinging by vested lobbies.

Probably an serving Navy or ex Navy official can clear the air and give us the real picture.

And if some of the allegations are true, have we learnt our lessons and designed the new, to be inducted Vikrant in such a way that it will be a viable high performance aircraft carrier. Leaving aside the air wing component. If worst comes to worst, the LCA Tejas Navy aircraft can be used to form the air wing till the TEDBF comes into action within a decade. After all the Sea Harrier was also single engined. I guess the useful payload of the Naval Tejas will be at least equal to the Sea Harrier.
 

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dharmic aeroplate v2 (@daeroplate_v2) Tweeted:
we spent $1b on refurbishing Vikky, another $1b on Mig29K air wing, 1 honeytrap scandal, what did our tax payer money get? a 'training carrier' that is barely able to sail 2 weeks in last 2 yrs, a 29K unable to take sustained shocks of carrier landings and zero accountability.


And how he come to conclusions ? BC now days every one is Defence analyst,just because "Captain of the Ship didn't call him for coordinates" doesn't mean Ship is broke.There is some issue with Miggy but hey aint we used to face the same for every other russian articles.
 

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