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Ya'll Nibbiars BEST is back with a bang. The countrys first Double D

Ya'll Nibbiars on lease model every new indicted since 2017 has been on Wet Lease. We'll this helped to reduce the losses. But still BEST makes 300 crores losses annually despite 6,000 ruppes revenues. The transporting is a loss Making division and the Electricity is the only profitable ones.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars on lease model every new indicted since 2017 has been on Wet Lease. We'll this helped to reduce the losses. But still BEST makes 300 crores losses annually despite 6,000 ruppes revenues. The transporting is a loss Making division and the Electricity is the only profitable ones.
Public Transport in form of Bus services are mostly loss making around the world.

Electric one only will reduce the losses by big amount.
 

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This is true. Public transport has to be given subsidy always. Losses are normal when it comes to public transport globally
Ya'll Nibbiars The BEST now carry 45 Lakhs passenger its as high as the previous record in 2012. But the buses are small now. They rectified this by Increasing service and serviceability but unless the BEST Gets those 2,500 New Full Size Buses, the capacity crunch will happens even at non peak hours.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars The BEST now carry 45 Lakhs passenger its as high as the previous record in 2012. But the buses are small now. They rectified this by Increasing service and serviceability but unless the BEST Gets those 2,500 New Full Size Buses, the capacity crunch will happens even at non peak hours.
can normal sized buses make those deadly turns at that speed in places like maha lakshmi, dadar etc? don't think so.
 

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can normal sized buses make those deadly turns at that speed in places like maha lakshmi, dadar etc? don't think so.
Ya'll Nibbiars They used to even then and can make it even now. I sued to travel on this routes. So no problem. But the Smala and medium size busses needs to be suplementd by largers busses or else capacity crunch will happens.
 
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The roads and footpaths are poor in true indian fashion, but that problem can be fixed if any government with a double digit iq takes over.
It has more to do with budget and less with leaders' IQ. Making western style calibrated flat wide roads with properly sized and paved sidewalks/footpaths shall cost a bomb.

The quality and quantity balance of roads in India is reasonable when regarded with India's population density, quality of coil and tar available and climatic conditions (which makes Indian environment exceptionally dusty).

Our infrastructure quality has been improvising since 2000 (we were garbage before that). Spending money on paved sidewalks is money wastage for a lower middle income country like India.
Public Transport in form of Bus services are mostly loss making around the world.

Electric one only will reduce the losses by big amount.
This is true. Public transport has to be given subsidy always. Losses are normal when it comes to public transport globally
Public transports especially intra district, intra city/zone transports from metros to BRTS to bullet trains, were built to bear public burdens and boost economy rather than making profits. So they make losses everywhere in world.

Success of a public transport is not measured by it's sales profits but the number of fares it carries. Cause economic advantage to people of city compensates the loss. I cannot imagine living in Delhi without Metro. That will be a nightmare.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars The BEST was Profitable before 2004. Any Public transportation system can be profitable as long as its managed properlys.
That should be the case with countrywide networks like Railways and NHAI.

A better local public transportation system when it benefits city overall than profitability. Management is just a word here because when the system with start to focus on "managing profits" than squeezing itself to ease the city, the profits will come for sure.
The purpose of this system will go down the drain though.

In case of cities, a good public transportation system and a profitable public transportation system won't come together. And latter one isn't preferable for any sane administrator.
 

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So you can still upgrade and be profitables.
Profitability needs the increase of fares to high rate necessarily. And attracting more fares requires low fare cost =loss. An upgraded metro/BRTS with subsidized rate despite monetary loss is a success in my view than an upgraded and costly system with low number of fares despite profit.

A profit making public transport is disgrace to city if people are preferring cars and taxis over it. I hope you get what I'm saying.
 

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Profitability needs the increase of fares to high rate necessarily. And attracting more fares requires low fare cost =loss. An upgraded metro/BRTS with subsidized rate despite monetary loss is a success in my view than an upgraded and costly system with low fare.

A profit making public transport is disgrace to city if people are preferring cars and taxis over it. I hope you get what I'm saying.
Why not look at Hong Kong for example .. they have a super profitable metro .
Besides if the govt is picking up the tab for the capital cost , the running cost should be less than ticket collections . If not the public transport system becomes shit .
 

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It has more to do with budget and less with leaders' IQ. Making western style calibrated flat wide roads with properly sized and paved sidewalks/footpaths shall cost a bomb.

The quality and quantity balance of roads in India is reasonable when regarded with India's population density, quality of coil and tar available and climatic conditions (which makes Indian environment exceptionally dusty).

Public transports especially intra district, intra city/zone transports from metros to BRTS to bullet trains, were built to bear public burdens and boost economy rather than making profits. So they make losses everywhere in world.

Success of a public transport is not measured by it's sales profits but the number of fares it carries. Cause economic advantage to people of city compensates the loss. I cannot imagine living in Delhi without Metro. That will be a nightmare.
Ya'll Nibbiars The BEST was Profitable before 2004. Any Public transportation system can be profitable as long as its managed properlys.

That should be the case with countrywide networks like Railways and NHAI.

A better local public transportation system when it benefits city overall than profitability. Management is just word here because when the system with start to focus on "managing profits" than squeezing itself to ease the city, the profits will come for sure.

The purpose of this system will go down the drain though.
Ya'll Nibbiars The BEST was much better before 2004 and was also profitable after that its came in red an also no upgrade in service. So you can still upgrade and be profitables.

Profitability needs the increase of fares to high rate necessarily. And attracting more fares requires low fare cost =loss. An upgraded metro/BRTS with subsidized rate despite monetary loss is a success in my view than an upgraded and costly system with low number of fares despite profit.

A profit making public transport is disgrace to city if people are preferring cars and taxis over it. I hope you get what I'm saying.
Ya'll Nibbiars NO NO NO NO, Marxist Ideology and that from a Mod will never be tolerated here.

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There is no marxism in saying that public transport is made to bear public. For earning profits, plenty of taxis and private transporters are there. They are enough and loss making public transport should be abolished if it's all about profit.
Ya'll Nibbiars There are ways to be profitable so this your saying of Passnegr will be burdened by pares is nothing but one way thinking.

Without launching a side business of selling waste or producing electricity from tracks/on train solar panels, it's still impractical.
Ya'll Nibbiars You are forgetting Advertisement, Lease, Renting, Land Development, Development fees, Consultings and other sources which can be as large as passenger fares
 
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Why not look at Hong Kong for example .. they have a super profitable metro .
Per capita GDP and fares, maintenance.
the running cost should be less than ticket collections . If not the public transport system becomes shit .
Urban metro systems (bus and trains) are luxury things in front of national transports just because of the first class maintenance besides running.

I doubt that they can be made profitable without looking actually shitty like a third class Railway wagon. That's only way you can bring running cost against fares down without exponentially increasing fares to equivalent of taxis.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars The BEST was Profitable before 2004. Any Public transportation system can be profitable as long as its managed properlys.


Ya'll Nibbiars NO No NO NO, Marxist Ideology and that from a Mod will never be tolerated here.

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There is no marxism in saying that public transport is made to bear public. For earning profits, plenty of taxis and private transporters are there. They are enough and loss making public transport should be abolished if it's all about profit.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars There are ways to be profitable so this your saying of Passnegr will be burdened by pares is nothing but one way thinking.
Without launching a side business of selling waste or producing electricity from tracks/on train solar panels, it's still impractical.
 

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Without launching a side business of selling waste or producing electricity from tracks/on train solar panels, it's still impractical.
In connection to this and Hong Kong . Biggest side business is shopping area in or near metro stations.
Tokyo metro owns buildings near the metro line ffs.
But my point is if a public transport system is dependent on the govt budget it will turn to shit .
 

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In connection to this and Hong Kong . Biggest side business is shopping area in or near metro stations.
Tokyo metro owns buildings near the metro line ffs.
But my point is if a public transport system is dependent on the govt budget it will turn to shit .

MTR owns the shopping malls. Basically they build malls on top of their stations. The mall contains everything from Supermarket to Food stalls. Basically it is a big source of income.

On the other Indian Metro we build them on the median of road, thus we don't have any dedicated space to implement them. Whatever space we have we are giving it to commercial activity.
 

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