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Ya'll Nibbiars The Lower Subansiri hydroelectric project At 2,000 MW it wil be India's largest hydro project,located on Subansiri River, which is on the border of Arunachal Pradesh and Assam.

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Ya'll Nibbiars The Lower Subansiri hydroelectric project At 2,000 MW it wil be India's largest hydro project,located on Subansiri River, which is on the border of Arunachal Pradesh and Assam.

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A beautiful project. It could've added a big boost to energy security of north east. Unfortunately it is only 50% complete. It has been stalled in courts since 2011 by "Environmentalists".

Another victim of leftist Enviornment activists.
 

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Bundelkhand expressway collapsed due to rain.




This section was done by Gawar Construction.

Absolute state of Indian Civil Engineering.
Dilip Buildcon seems to be the company..

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looks like this section construction is not yet complete, means not handed over to UPEIDA.

but UPEIDA recorded it as 100% complete in their status report

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Now tell me mate do you think Dilip Buildcon has enough men and equipment to build 45 km stretch all by itself?
No, idea. but contract is in their name, statements in the news article have come in their name. official adverse report if any, will be in their name.

they have sections of Mumbai Nagpur expressway contract as well.
 

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No, idea. but contract is in their name, statements in the news article have come in their name. official adverse report if any, will be in their name.

they have sections of Mumbai Nagpur expressway contract as well.
That's what I wanted to check if you and the common folks are aware of how the civil construction sector works.
Civil contacts are multi level contracts. A large company gets a contract they further divide it into sub contacts either fully or partially.
Depending upon the size of the project there could be 3 level of subcontracts or more in parallel.

Dilip buildcon probably recruited sub contractors which most likely fucked up.

Dilip buildcon had the job of surveying, Planning and Financing, the actual grunts work was done by contractors.

This will tell you the state of Infrastructure companies in our country, things look nice and shiny on the top but on the ground level it is full of shit.
 

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That's what I wanted to check if you and the common folks are aware of how the civil construction sector works.
Civil contacts are multi level contracts. A large company gets a contract they further divide it into sun contacts either fully or partially.
Depending upon the size of the project there could be 3 level of subcontracts or more in parallel.

Dilip buildcon probably recruited sub contractors which most likely fucked up.

Dilip buildcon had the job of surveying, Planning and Financing, the actual grunts work was done by contractors.

This will tell you the state of Infrastructure companies in our country, things look nice and shiny on the top but on the ground level it is full of shit.
Sub contractor work is the norm in all projects, that's what i do in my projects, sometimes i myself is the sub contractor.

but who ever signs the dotted line with the main customer is responsible and accountable, when i give sub contract, i am the one taking the heat from customer not the sub contractor. customer will just say, get you act together or i will stop your payment.

is the system flawed? yes.
should there be a change? yes.
am i absolving anyone in this bundelkhand expressway case? no.
 

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That's what I wanted to check if you and the common folks are aware of how the civil construction sector works.
Civil contacts are multi level contracts. A large company gets a contract they further divide it into sub contacts either fully or partially.
Depending upon the size of the project there could be 3 level of subcontracts or more in parallel.

Dilip buildcon probably recruited sub contractors which most likely fucked up.

Dilip buildcon had the job of surveying, Planning and Financing, the actual grunts work was done by contractors.

This will tell you the state of Infrastructure companies in our country, things look nice and shiny on the top but on the ground level it is full of shit.
Even big companies like L&T do that.
 

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The lead contractor is liable to the Govt. How they deal with the subcontractors who messed up the work is their business.

Govt. will simply armtwist them into getting the mess sorted, hold payments besides imposing a penalty.

If they are close to the ruling establishment, punishment will be less severe.
 

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Sub contractor work is the norm in all projects, that's what i do in my projects, sometimes i myself is the sub contractor.

but who ever signs the dotted line with the main customer is responsible and accountable, when i give sub contract, i am the one taking the heat from customer not the sub contractor. customer will just say, get you act together or i will stop your payment.

is the system flawed? yes.
should there be a change? yes.
am i absolving anyone in this bundelkhand expressway case? no.
Even big companies like L&T do that.
Yeah that is what I said, when I said the State of civil engineering in our country I meant the smallest level of contactor that do the grunts job. They don't have the capability to execute the work properly and somehow they can't perform even under the supervision of Dilips.

Also L&T and Dilip Builldcon are a class apart.
L&T 5 star
Ashok Buildcon and Gawar Construction 4 star
Sp Singla 3 star.
Small time sub contesters 2 star.
Thekedars 1 star.
 

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That's what I wanted to check if you and the common folks are aware of how the civil construction sector works.
Civil contacts are multi level contracts. A large company gets a contract they further divide it into sub contacts either fully or partially.
Depending upon the size of the project there could be 3 level of subcontracts or more in parallel.

Dilip buildcon probably recruited sub contractors which most likely fucked up.

Dilip buildcon had the job of surveying, Planning and Financing, the actual grunts work was done by contractors.

This will tell you the state of Infrastructure companies in our country, things look nice and shiny on the top but on the ground level it is full of shit.
That's the common practice to subcontract further in any of the civil projects. QC depends company to company.
 

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Yeah that is what I said, when I said the State of civil engineering in our country I meant the smallest level of contactor that do the grunts job. They don't have the capability to execute the work properly and somehow they can't perform even under the supervision of Dilips.

Also L&T and Dilip Builldcon are a class apart.
L&T 5 star
Ashok Buildcon and Gawar Construction 4 star
Sp Singla 3 star.
Small time sub contesters 2 star.
Thekedars 1 star.
There was/is a DFI member who had worked at L&T, maybe that chap can tell us more about L&T.

but for general gyan purpose, it's not difficult to see why things happen the way they do.

let's say there is a project for building high tension electricity grid, simplistic view of course.

-some one is specialist in building the tower foundation and base,
-some one else is specialist in erecting the metal structure,
-someone else is specialist in connecting the towers.

i as a company cannot keep giving permanent salary to specialist folks, since i donno when the next project is going to be. so these sub contractor "specialists" have their core competency and they go around the country doing these jobs in various projects.

all this is basically, about profitability and hedging against potential losses.
 

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There was a DFI member who had worked at L&T, maybe that chap can tell us more about L&T.

but for general gyan purpose, it's not difficult to see why things happen the way they do.

let's say there is a project for building high tension electricity grid, simplistic view of course.

-some one is specialist in building the tower foundation and base,
-some one else is specialist in erecting the metal structure,
-someone else is specialist in connecting the towers.

i as a company cannot keep giving permanent salary to specialist folks, since i donno when the next project is going to be. so these sub contractor "specialists" have their core competency and they go around the country doing these jobs in various projects.

all this is basically, about profitability and hedging against potential losses.
Things will improve as we get richer and firms start spending money on hiring proper skills but in our case the probeome is everywhere from education to Job sector so Intellectual property gets squandered upon.
 

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Things will improve as we get richer and firms start spending money on hiring proper skills but in our case the probeome is everywhere from education to Job sector so Intellectual property gets squandered upon.
Now some light hearted news.

:yo: :truestory:
 

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The lead contractor is liable to the Govt. How they deal with the subcontractors who messed up the work is their business.

Govt. will simply armtwist them into getting the mess sorted, hold payments besides imposing a penalty.

If they are close to the ruling establishment, punishment will be less severe.
Government or any agency who issued the workorder/Tender has the upper hand of blocking PBG and then ED of the contractor in case of LD or non-compliance with work schedule.
this is applicable to each stage of client- contractor relation.
 

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