Industry Output Comparation between CHina 2009 and Soviet 1980

[badguy2000]

In 1980, Soviet was in the climax of its power and economy. the following is the industry output between CHina 2009 and Soviet 1980.

Data: CHina 2009,Soviet 1980

Steel: Soviet 148M tons, China 567.8M tons, China's is 383% of Soviet's;
Electric energy Generation: Soviet 1295 trillion KWH, CHina 3605.6 trillion KWH, CHina's is 281% of Soviet's;

Plastics: Soviet 3.6 M tons, China 44.79M tons, CHina's is 1244% of Soviet's;
Chemical fibre: Soviet 1.176M tons, CHina 27M tons, CHina's is 2300% of Soviet's;
Fertilizer: Soviet 24.8 M tons; CHina 67M tons, China's is 270% of Soviet's;

Cement: Soviet 125M tons, CHina 1650M tons, CHina is 1320% of Soviet's;

Textile: Soviet 7.1 trillion square meters, China 56.5 trillion Square meters, CHina's is 795% of Soviet's;

Auto: Soviet 1.33M, CHina 13.81M, China's is 1039% of Soviet's;
Combined Harvester: Soviet 113K, CHina 500K, CHina's is 443% of Soviet's;
Tractor: Soviet 557K, CHina 2000K, China's is 360% of Soviet's;

Food: Soviet189.1M tons, CHina 500 M tons,China's is 265% of Soviet's;
Meat: Soviet 15M tons, CHina 75M tons, CHina's is 500% of Soviet's;
Milchig: Soviet 90.6 M tons,CHina 36.5M tons, CHina's is 41% of Soviet's;
Cotton:Soviet 3.32 M tons, CHina 6.6 tons, CHina's is 200% of Soviet's;

中国的资料取２００９的，找不到２００９的，取能找到的最新的，不早于２００３年

苏联的资料取1980年苏联鼎盛时期的资料,现在在俄国, 按人均算,很多工业品指标都没有达到苏联鼎盛的80年代初期水平,总量就差得更远了.

基础重工业：
钢产量：苏联14800万吨，中国56780万吨,中国是苏联的383%
发电量：苏联12950亿度；中国36506亿度，中国是苏联的281%

重化工：
工业塑料产量: 苏联360万吨，中国4479万吨，中国是苏联的1244%
化学纤维：苏联117.6万吨，中国2700万吨，中国是苏联的2300%
化肥：苏联2480万吨，中国约6700万吨，中国是苏联的270%

建材：
水泥：苏联1.25亿吨 中国约16.5亿吨，中国是苏联的1320%

纺织品：
纺织品： 苏联71亿平米，中国565亿平米，中国是苏联的795%

设备制造：
汽车：苏联：133万辆, 中国：1381万辆，中国是苏联的1039%
联合收割机：苏联11.3万台，中国50万台 中国是苏联的443%
拖拉机：苏联55.7万台，中国约200万台，中国是苏联的360%

农牧渔业：
粮食产量：苏联18910万吨，中国约5亿吨，中国是苏联的265%
肉制品产量： 苏联1500万吨，中国7500万吨，中国是苏联的500%
奶制品产量： 苏联9060万吨，中国3650万吨， 中国是苏联的41%
棉花产量：苏联332万吨，中国660万吨，中国是苏联的200%
http://bbs.cjdby.net/thread-879954-1-1.html

 

[badguy2000]

BTW,
as for most per capital industry output, Russia today is even less than Soviet 1980,due to rapid deindustrialization since 1992.

Furthermore , as for some per capital industry output indexs, Soviet 1980 is still better than CHina 2009,such as per capital food, per capital electric energy generation, per capital fertilizer..etc..

 

[Armand2REP]

Comparing a country thirty years after the fact... how pointless is that.

 

[badguy2000]

Comparing a country thirty years after the fact... how pointless is that.

guy, even today, only China and USA have more industry outpout than Soviet 1980,as a whole.

all countries except G2,including you beloved France, are still despairing to catch up with Soviet 1980, as for industry output.

 

[Armand2REP]

guy, even today, only China and USA have more industry outpout than Soviet 1980,as a whole.

all countries except G2,including you beloved France, are still despairing to catch up with Soviet 1980, as for industry output.

Guy, high industry output with low services is the sign of an underdeveloped economy. Shouting how underdeveloped your economy is not something I would be proud of. You just showing that China is more backwards than the economy of USSR.

 

[badguy2000]

Guy, high industry output with low services is the sign of an underdeveloped economy. Shouting how underdeveloped your economy is not something I would be proud of. You just showing that China is more backwards than the economy of USSR.

yes, "underdeveloped " USSR sent men into space in early 1960s while "advanced" france still can not until nowclap.

 

[Armand2REP]

BTW,
as for most per capital industry output, Russia today is even less than Soviet 1980,due to rapid deindustrialization since 1992.

Furthermore , as for some per capital industry output indexs, Soviet 1980 is still better than CHina 2009,such as per capital food, per capital electric energy generation, per capital fertilizer..etc..

Actually, per capita Russia today is far above China. With 1.3 billion people, China's per capita is among the lowest on the planet.

 

[badguy2000]

Data: CHina 2009,Soviet 1980

Steel: Soviet 148M tons, China 567.8M tons, China's is 383% of Soviet's;
Electric energy Generation: Soviet 1295 trillion KWH, CHina 3605.6 trillion KWH, CHina's is 281% of Soviet's;

Plastics: Soviet 3.6 M tons, China 44.79 tons, CHina's is 1244% of Soviet's;
Chemical fibre: Soviet 1.176M tons, CHina 27 tons, CHina's is 2300% of Soviet's;
Fertilizer: Soviet 24.8 M tons; CHina 67M tons, China's is 270% of Soviet's;

Cement: Soviet 125M tons, CHina 1650M tons, CHina is 1320% of Soviet's;

Textile: Soviet 7.1 trillion square meters, China 56.5 trillion Square meters, CHina's is 795% of Soviet's;

Auto: Soviet 1.33M, CHina 13.81M, China's is 1039% of Soviet's;
Combined Harvester: Soviet 113K, CHina 500K, CHina's is 443% of Soviet's;
Tractor: Soviet 557K, CHina 2000K, China's is 360% of Soviet's;

Food: Soviet189.1M tons, CHina 500 M tons,China's is 265% of Soviet's;
Meat: Soviet 15M tons, CHina 75M tons, CHina's is 500% of Soviet's;
Milchig: Soviet 90.6 M tons,CHina 36.5M tons, CHina's is 41% of Soviet's;
Cotton:Soviet 3.32 M tons, CHina 6.6 tons, CHina's is 200% of Soviet's;

CHina's population(2009) is about 1.33 trillin ,about 500% of Soviet's 0.27 trillion(1980)

as we see,

today,China's 6 industry sections(plastic,chemical fibre,cement,textile,auto and meat) output 500%+ than Soviet's 1980.

while CHina's 9 industy sections (steel, elec energy generation,fertiziler,Combined Harvester,Tractor,food,milchig,cotton) outputs less 500% than Soviet's 1980s.

Especially, China's per capital eletric energy generation 2009 is only about 60% of Soviet's 1980.

It fully proves that the industrialization extent of CHina 2009 is still one decade behind Soviet 1980 at least.

 

[badguy2000]

Actually, per capita Russia today is far above China. With 1.3 billion people, China's per capita is among the lowest on the planet.

guy, per capital nominal GDP can be distorted much ,due to exchange rate .

per capital industry output,espeically per capital electric energy generation, can tell you much more than per capital nominal GDP,because electricity is the base of industry activities.


Generally speaking,

the more per capital electric energy generation is ,the more industrialized one economy is .

In 1980, China's per capital electric energy generation was only 300 KWH,while Soviet's was almost 5000 KWH. China's was only 6% of Soviet's at that time....not in the same league...


now,

as for per capital eletric energy generation

USA's is 14200 KWH(2005)
German is 13457 KWH(2005)
Japan's is 8856KWH(2005),
France's is 9479KWH(2005)
S.Korea is 8175 KWH(2005)
Russia's is about 6659 KWH(2005)
Italy's is 5258KWH(2005)
China's is 3000 KWH(2009)
India's is 620 KWH(2005).
http://bbs.huanqiu.com/tushuoshijie/thread-104337-1-1.html

 

[Armand2REP]

guy, per capital nominal GDP can be distorted much ,due to exchange rate .

per capital industry output,espeically per capital electric energy generation, can tell you much more than per capital nominal GDP,because electricity is the base of industry activities.


Generally speaking,

the more per capital electric energy generation is ,the more industrialized one economy is .

Fine, you lose there too. Russians have you beat by three times.

 

[badguy2000]

Fine, you lose there too. Russians have you beat by three times.

well, guy, China's eletric energy generation almost double every 3 years.

so, can you figure out how soon CHina's per capital eletric energy generation will surpass Russia's?

 

[Armand2REP]

well, guy, China's eletric energy generation almost double every 3 years.

so, can you figure out how soon CHina's per capital eletric energy generation will surpass Russia's?

Guy, inefficient electricity usage don't make you more productive.

 

[badguy2000]

list of "per capital elec energy generation"
USA's is 14200 KWH(2005)
German is 13457 KWH(2005)
Japan's is 8856KWH(2005),
France's is 9479KWH(2005)
S.Korea is 8175 KWH(2005)
Russia's is about 6659 KWH(2005)
Italy's is 5258KWH(2005)
China's is 3000 KWH(2009)
India's is 620 KWH(2005).
http://bbs.huanqiu.com/tushuoshijie/...04337-1-1.html

as we see, the more "per capital eletric energy generation" is , the more industrialized one economy is .

even Italy's is 5258KWH ,so we can conclude that the "per capital eletric energy generation" of all industrialized economies >5000 KWH....
that is to say, 5000 KWH can be looked on as the treshold of "industrialized economy".

China's (2009) is 3000 KWH,almost on the midway of "industrialization course".

India's (2005) is only 620KWH, still in the intial stage of "industrializaiton course"

that is why i insist that china be just a "semi-industrialized economy" while India be a pre-industrialization economy.

 

[Armand2REP]

I hate to burst your bubble, but electricity generation is not a measure of who has the more industrialised economy. Advanced economies are reducing their consumption with more efficient production methods. China's explosive increase in electricity is just a symptom of their ever increasing inefficiency. Usage doubles every three years but the production doesn't even come close.

 

[badguy2000]

I hate to burst your bubble, but electricity generation is not a measure of who has the more industrialised economy. Advanced economies are reducing their consumption with more efficient production methods. China's explosive increase in electricity is just a symptom of their ever increasing inefficiency. Usage doubles every three years but the production doesn't even come close.

what you hate is not "burst bubbles",but to face the fact that India's per capital eletr energy generation (2005) is only 620KWH,<1/10 of industrialized economies'.

explosive increase in electricity is a inevitable and urgent for any developing country that is on the way to industrialization.

Of course, when a economy has its industrialization mature, its per capital electr enegery generation will gradually stop increasing and get steady,just as USA,EU and Japan do.

However,for time being, no "advanced economies" has "reducing their consumption" obviously.

 

[Armand2REP]

what you hate is not "burst bubbles",but to face the fact that India's per capital eletr energy generation (2005) is only 620KWH,<1/10 of industrialized economies'.

Actually I am quite glad India doesn't have a high per capita electricity usage. If they did at their stage of development added with China's pollution it would turn this planet into Venus.

explosive increase in electricity is a inevitable and urgent for any developing country that is on the way to industrialization.

Its great when electricty consumption grows hand in hand with GDP, but China shoots up the electricty with relatively little growth in GDP. That is called inefficient use of energy.

Of course, when a economy has its industrialization mature, its per capital electr enegery generation will gradually stop increasing and get steady,just as USA,EU and Japan do.

However,for time being, no "advanced economies" has "reducing their consumption" obviously.

Tell that to France, Sweden, UK, Italy even USA have reduced their consumption so obviously advanced economies are doing it.

 

[Yusuf]

India is still the second fastest growing major economy. Still a trillion dollars plus economy. There is something about india that will baffle the best analyst. India has its own ways of growing one would imagine.

 

[Armand2REP]

India is still the second fastest growing major economy. Still a trillion dollars plus economy. There is something about india that will baffle the best analyst. India has its own ways of growing one would imagine.

For once, this is a thread not about India. Lets not fall into flame war with troll baiting Chinois.

 

[badguy2000]

Actually I am quite glad India doesn't have a high per capita electricity usage. If they did at their stage of development added with China's pollution it would turn this planet into Venus.



Its great when electricty consumption grows hand in hand with GDP, but China shoots up the electricty with relatively little growth in GDP. That is called inefficient use of energy.



Tell that to France, Sweden, UK, Italy even USA have reduced their consumption so obviously advanced economies are doing it.

In 1990, the global top 4 eletricity- energy generating countries : USA (3202.8 trillion KWH), Soviet(1764.6 Trillion KWH)/Russia(1082.2 trillion KWH), Japan(857.3 trillion KWH), China (621.2 trillion KWH);

In 2007,the global top 4 eletricity-energy generating countries: USA(4380-4400 trillion KWH),China(3255.9 trillion KWH), Japan(1180-1200 trilion KWH), Russia(1016 trillion KWH).

there is only one country whose electrisity energy generation decreased during 1990-2007: Russia. Russia decreased its eletri energy generation just because of serious deindustrialization.

1990年世界发电量前4名 美 国 32028亿度苏 联 17646亿度 (俄罗斯10822亿度) 日本 8573亿度 中国大陆 6212亿度 2007年世界发电量前4名 美 国 43800-44000亿度 中国大陆 32559亿度（比1990年增长5.24倍，爆发性增长，并且仍在加速） 日 本 11800-12000亿度俄 罗 斯 10160亿度
http://bbs.huanqiu.com/tushuoshijie/thread-104337-1-1.html

 

[Armand2REP]

there is only one country whose electrisity energy generation decreased during 1990-2007: Russia. Russia decreased its eletri energy generation just because of serious deindustrialization.

Maybe you should stop looking at outdated Chinese statistics and check the news. Since 2009,

USA fell 3.7%
France 5%
UK 5%
Italy 8%

Sweden has been falling at an annual rate of 3% since 2004