INS Vikrant Aircraft Carrier (IAC)

[uoftotaku]

This is what happens when you build your sensitive assets in a Commie infested state at a yard notorious for its Left supporting Unions. Lucky it got discovered, the ultimate aim might not have to been to steal data but to replace the drives with similar ones supplied by their masters which have trojan code embedded inside

 

[A chauhan]

This is what happens when you build your sensitive assets in a Commie infested state at a yard notorious for its Left supporting Unions. Lucky it got discovered, the ultimate aim might not have to been to steal data but to replace the drives with similar ones supplied by their masters which have trojan code embedded inside

Kerala is not safe place for defence manufacturings.

 

[samsaptaka]

Digital devices stolen from under-construction aircraft carrier in Kochi

In a worrying development, the Kerala Police have said they are investigating a security breach at the Cochin Shipyard in Kochi, which is building India's first indigenous aircraft carrier. According to media reports, four hard drives of computers installed on board the under-construction aircraft carrier were found to be stolen.

The Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC), which displaces over 40,000 tonnes, is scheduled to be handed over to the Indian Navy by 2021 and commissioned into service by 2023. The vessel will be known as the INS Vikrant once it is in Indian Navy service.


According to media reports, four computers on board the aircraft carrier were vandalised to remove the hard drives.


Kerala Police chief Loknath Behera told The New Indian Express a special investigation team had been formed to probe the theft at the Cochin Shipyard. According to The New Indian Express, Cochin Shipyard lodged a complaint with the Kerala Police about the incident on Monday. The newspaper added the devices were on board the vessel till August 28.


Security at the Cochin Shipyard is under the purview of the Central Industrial Security Force (CISF).


The incident has raised concerns about security at the aircraft carrier construction facility, which is tightly guarded. According to media reports, while CCTV cameras are installed at Cochin Shipyard, the surveillance sensors were not fitted on board the under-construction aircraft carrier.


https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2...r-construction-aircraft-carrier-in-kochi.html

Bloody hell ! police forming special team to investigate. I bet they won't do jack shit ! Commie pornrai vijayan will ensure nothing will be done. Why is there no Navy's own security and checks present ? Why leave it to shitty state govt police who are nothing but political dogs.

 

[aarav]

CSL should be held responsible ,this is an inside job ,could also have been sabotage,the hard disk on onboard computers could also have been replaced by trojan infected disks ,serious breach in CSL yard which has delayed the AC by 5 years already ,looks like 4 years more until navy is satisfied with this breach ,safe to say chalta hai attitude of babu's will haunt us for times to come even other PSU shipyards don't have this serious breach all I can recall is a temporary labour detained in GRSE 2 years back

 

[Armand2REP]

CSL should be held responsible ,this is an inside job ,could also have been sabotage,the hard disk on onboard computers could also have been replaced by trojan infected disks ,serious breach in CSL yard which has delayed the AC by 5 years already ,looks like 4 years more until navy is satisfied with this breach ,safe to say chalta hai attitude of babu's will haunt us for times to come even other PSU shipyards don't have this serious breach all I can recall is a temporary labour detained in GRSE 2 years back

It is actually the MoD's job to secure their assets. In order to cut costs they failed to hire security as part of the contract.

 

[samsaptaka]

Yup, exactly my point . Why leave things of national security under state or psu security ? It defies common sense!

 

[uoftotaku]

One thing that has to be appreciated in all this clusterf*ck....the Vikrant will, by the time it is finally commissioned, have been in construction for the best part of two decades.

The basic computers and tech installed will be at least a decade old by the time the vessel enters service. Critical equipment in the machinery section (which is installed at a very early stage in the build due to practical reasons) will be approaching 15 years of age. In marine machinery terms, 15 years is time for major replacement and overhaul already. Even if the item is unused, having it sit in position for that long requires major overhaul before it is even started up.

What if any transition plan is in place to mitigate this immediate obsolescence scenario when the vessel finally enter service? Who is responsible for the cost of the necessary overhauls and updates that will be needed to kick start the machinery? I can tell you for certain that no manufacturer holds warranties in force if the item is not commissioned and operational within 6 months of delivery.

So expect some wonderful desi tamasha in the coming years once our wonderful genius babu's come to the realization that endless delays come with a different kind of bill

 

[samsaptaka]

Good points, it indeed is a mega clusterfk. Makes you bang your head in sheer frustration !

 

[Akula]

One thing that has to be appreciated in all this clusterf*ck....the Vikrant will, by the time it is finally commissioned, have been in construction for the best part of two decades.

The basic computers and tech installed will be at least a decade old by the time the vessel enters service. Critical equipment in the machinery section (which is installed at a very early stage in the build due to practical reasons) will be approaching 15 years of age. In marine machinery terms, 15 years is time for major replacement and overhaul already. Even if the item is unused, having it sit in position for that long requires major overhaul before it is even started up.

What if any transition plan is in place to mitigate this immediate obsolescence scenario when the vessel finally enter service? Who is responsible for the cost of the necessary overhauls and updates that will be needed to kick start the machinery? I can tell you for certain that no manufacturer holds warranties in force if the item is not commissioned and operational within 6 months of delivery.

So expect some wonderful desi tamasha in the coming years once our wonderful genius babu's come to the realization that endless delays come with a different kind of bill

Laid down in 2009 and will be fully commissioned in 2021-22. 12 years to be fully operational. The ship must have lost 4-5 of its service life already.

 

[Aham Brahmasmi]

I highly suspect Chinese for this misadventure.
Kerala being a Commmunist might have done this thing because the only nation which is keenly observing India's Aircraft Carrier programme is China. And too a commie. It knows very well that it has to bang its head with India in IOR and Aircraft Carriers will be show of strength.

Both nations are in building aircraft carriers mode. They never had experience, atleast experience India have in operating ACs. So they might want to see the data and understand the weaponry, range, power and propulsion of this AC to upgrade theirs as well.

Never trusted Kerala in defense issues.

Better to build a AC construction berth at Visakhapatnam.

 

[1971ftw]

Fuck how compromised is the carrier, first docs about Scorpio got stolen now this.

 

[Kra]

I highly suspect Chinese for this misadventure.
Kerala being a Commmunist might have done this thing because the only nation which is keenly observing India's Aircraft Carrier programme is China. And too a commie. It knows very well that it has to bang its head with India in IOR and Aircraft Carriers will be show of strength.

Both nations are in building aircraft carriers mode. They never had experience, atleast experience India have in operating ACs. So they might want to see the data and understand the weaponry, range, power and propulsion of this AC to upgrade theirs as well.

Never trusted Kerala in defense issues.

Better to build a AC construction berth at Visakhapatnam.

But the security was under cisf

 

[vampyrbladez]

But the security was under cisf

There was no CCTV footage available inside the A/C. Also CISF is responsible for site security not for securing certain areas of ship unless specifically deployed onboard while U/c.

Local muzzies or some commies did this, possibly for a trojan attack as some poster said earlier.

 

[abingdonboy]

Digital devices stolen from under-construction aircraft carrier in Kochi

In a worrying development, the Kerala Police have said they are investigating a security breach at the Cochin Shipyard in Kochi, which is building India's first indigenous aircraft carrier. According to media reports, four hard drives of computers installed on board the under-construction aircraft carrier were found to be stolen.

The Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC), which displaces over 40,000 tonnes, is scheduled to be handed over to the Indian Navy by 2021 and commissioned into service by 2023. The vessel will be known as the INS Vikrant once it is in Indian Navy service.


According to media reports, four computers on board the aircraft carrier were vandalised to remove the hard drives.


Kerala Police chief Loknath Behera told The New Indian Express a special investigation team had been formed to probe the theft at the Cochin Shipyard. According to The New Indian Express, Cochin Shipyard lodged a complaint with the Kerala Police about the incident on Monday. The newspaper added the devices were on board the vessel till August 28.


Security at the Cochin Shipyard is under the purview of the Central Industrial Security Force (CISF).


The incident has raised concerns about security at the aircraft carrier construction facility, which is tightly guarded. According to media reports, while CCTV cameras are installed at Cochin Shipyard, the surveillance sensors were not fitted on board the under-construction aircraft carrier.


https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2...r-construction-aircraft-carrier-in-kochi.html

Bloody hell ! police forming special team to investigate. I bet they won't do jack shit ! Commie pornrai vijayan will ensure nothing will be done. Why is there no Navy's own security and checks present ? Why leave it to shitty state govt police who are nothing but political dogs.

Let’s be honest nothing sensitive will be on such hard drives, classified information isn’t kept on u/c vessels or shipyards. Are most they got some shift rotas and maybe some vendor information but nothing truly worthwhile and certainly nothing that compromises the ship going forward.

If this had been an operational/commissioned vessel this would be a VERY different story.

Hopefully this is a huge wake up call for the CISF, Defence industry and the armed forces.

 

[abingdonboy]

One thing that has to be appreciated in all this clusterf*ck....the Vikrant will, by the time it is finally commissioned, have been in construction for the best part of two decades.

The basic computers and tech installed will be at least a decade old by the time the vessel enters service. Critical equipment in the machinery section (which is installed at a very early stage in the build due to practical reasons) will be approaching 15 years of age. In marine machinery terms, 15 years is time for major replacement and overhaul already. Even if the item is unused, having it sit in position for that long requires major overhaul before it is even started up.

What if any transition plan is in place to mitigate this immediate obsolescence scenario when the vessel finally enter service? Who is responsible for the cost of the necessary overhauls and updates that will be needed to kick start the machinery? I can tell you for certain that no manufacturer holds warranties in force if the item is not commissioned and operational within 6 months of delivery.

So expect some wonderful desi tamasha in the coming years once our wonderful genius babu's come to the realization that endless delays come with a different kind of bill

Indeed it’s highly highly frustrating but let’s remember that the P15A and P17s took a painfully long time also but their successor classes have seen production times drop by up to 50% which is comparable with any world class shipbuilding nation.

The biggest thing about P17A is how it is being built- block construction across multiple sites this is HUGE and for sure will be scaled up
For destroyers and aircraft carriers in the future.


IAC-1 seems to have been a complete clusterf**k from start to finish and I doubt the saga is over BUT lessons will have been learnt and will be applied in the future. Don’t get too emotional.

When she enters service she will still
Easily be amongst the most advanced carriers ever to have existed.

 

[abingdonboy]

One thing that has to be appreciated in all this clusterf*ck....the Vikrant will, by the time it is finally commissioned, have been in construction for the best part of two decades.

The basic computers and tech installed will be at least a decade old by the time the vessel enters service. Critical equipment in the machinery section (which is installed at a very early stage in the build due to practical reasons) will be approaching 15 years of age. In marine machinery terms, 15 years is time for major replacement and overhaul already. Even if the item is unused, having it sit in position for that long requires major overhaul before it is even started up.

What if any transition plan is in place to mitigate this immediate obsolescence scenario when the vessel finally enter service? Who is responsible for the cost of the necessary overhauls and updates that will be needed to kick start the machinery? I can tell you for certain that no manufacturer holds warranties in force if the item is not commissioned and operational within 6 months of delivery.

So expect some wonderful desi tamasha in the coming years once our wonderful genius babu's come to the realization that endless delays come with a different kind of bill

Indeed it’s highly highly frustrating but let’s remember that the P15A and P17s took a painfully long time also but their successor classes have seen production times drop by up to 50% which is comparable with any world class shipbuilding nation.

The biggest thing about P17A is how it is being built- block construction across multiple sites this is HUGE and for sure will be scaled up
For destroyers and aircraft carriers in the future.


IAC-1 seems to have been a complete clusterf**k from start to finish and I doubt the saga is over BUT lessons will have been learnt and will be applied in the future. Don’t get too emotional.

When she enters service she will still
Easily be amongst the most advanced carriers ever to have existed.

 

[uoftotaku]

Indeed it’s highly highly frustrating but let’s remember that the P15A and P17s took a painfully long time also but their successor classes have seen production times drop by up to 50% which is comparable with any world class shipbuilding nation.

The biggest thing about P17A is how it is being built- block construction across multiple sites this is HUGE and for sure will be scaled up
For destroyers and aircraft carriers in the future.


IAC-1 seems to have been a complete clusterf**k from start to finish and I doubt the saga is over BUT lessons will have been learnt and will be applied in the future. Don’t get too emotional.

When she enters service she will still
Easily be amongst the most advanced carriers ever to have existed.

Lessons learned can be implemented if a sister vessel is built. Right now they're basically on track to reinvent the wheel totally with the 65k T IAC2. Expect a similar culsterfu*ck in that too because most likely that will be built in a different yard (either HSL or L&T Kakinada) so whatever learnt at CSL is basically going down the toilet

You can't churn out strategic assets like a cottage industry. Mega block construction etc requires economy of scale and repeatability

 

[Bhurki]

Lessons learned can be implemented if a sister vessel is built. Right now they're basically on track to reinvent the wheel totally with the 65k T IAC2. Expect a similar culsterfu*ck in that too because most likely that will be built in a different yard (either HSL or L&T Kakinada) so whatever learnt at CSL is basically going down the toilet

You can't churn out strategic assets like a cottage industry. Mega block construction etc requires economy of scale and repeatability

That is to say if it gets funded soon..
Last i heard navy was asking 60000 crore for that 65k ton ship and MoD folded..
For comparison, that is 80% more than HMS QE for a smaller ship.
So they said a 50k ton a/c is now being considered which will cost 50000 crore.
The later MoD signs it, the harder inflation will penalise the total cost of program.
And then, there's the airwing.

 

[abingdonboy]

Lessons learned can be implemented if a sister vessel is built. Right now they're basically on track to reinvent the wheel totally with the 65k T IAC2. Expect a similar culsterfu*ck in that too because most likely that will be built in a different yard (either HSL or L&T Kakinada) so whatever learnt at CSL is basically going down the toilet

You can't churn out strategic assets like a cottage industry. Mega block construction etc requires economy of scale and repeatability

If it’s a CSL or MDL or someone else project management, logistics, ecosystem creation etc etc can all be applied to the next vessel.

I agree it would be desirable to go for a sister vessel to IAC-1 but it seems IN is set on CATOBAR and I can understand their compulsions in that direction.

Remember these things do not exist in isolation. India of today is very different to the India of 2009. The India when IAC-2 production commences will be very different to the India of today. logistics will be more efficient and streamlined, capacities will be far greater etc etc.

Just this month MDL is to inaugurate their new dock with 250 metre (aka aircraft carrier size).

For god’s sake IAC-1 was so cursed that the entire project was delayed by years when her gearboxes were written off in a raid accident in the mid-00s, that’s how wild things were even a few years ago.

 

[uoftotaku]

That is to say if it gets funded soon..
Last i heard navy was asking 60000 crore for that 65k ton ship and MoD folded..
For comparison, that is 80% more than HMS QE for a smaller ship.
So they said a 50k ton a/c is now being considered which will cost 50000 crore.
The later MoD signs it, the harder inflation will penalise the total cost of program.
And then, there's the airwing.

IAC 2 can kick off once the IN accepts certain facts of reality rather than continuing to behave like spoiled children

- STOBAR is a dead end philosophy. STOVL will force you to beg Unkil to let you buy the F-35 unless you expect HAL to make Tejas V/STOL. So CATOBAR is the only realistic option going forward.
- CATOBAR requires either huge amounts of steam for traditional gear or huge amounts of electrical power for EMALs. Either way the only realistic way of sustaining both alongside the expected increases in general power consumption loads for other shipboard systems is Nuclear propulsion.
- CSL being a civil / military mixed use facility will never get clearance for nuclear security protocol. There is no point in further infrastructure investment at CSL
- An aircraft carrier has two distinct uses, Sea Control and Power Projection. The former can be done on a smaller vsl like Vikramaditya or Vikrant but the latter requires a larger vessel with a diverse air wing.

IN must decide which it wants to pursue and size the vessel accordingly or drop the whole idea entirely and focus on other parts of the fleet like SSNs for sea denial capabilities