Do you pay vat?you take my arguments to the cleaners, but the NSG waiver 2008 is still upheld, and there lot's legal laywers and foriegn ministers who are willing to go by the
2008 text as far as ENR restrictions are concerned.
If you pay VAT same logic applies there also. Also without 2011 also I proved you wrong. So bugger off on personal attacks. Don't make personal attacks. Read above explanation repeated 10 times for you on why there was no ENR even in 2008 without 2011.don't give me vat examples, stick to the point, does 2008 waiver has ENR provisions for india. it has. has that been nullified automatically by the 2011
NSG amendment, a big NO. rest all is just POV's. no government offcial or foreign minister of any country has said ENR denial to india because of 2011.
you are living in a fantasy la la land. cutting pasting half a text from there , and other half from 2011. I'm sorry I just don't under stand you logic.
Circle again back up and read why this is not so. You have not told me why my argument against this is wrong. You only state this is right. You are right because daddy told you so. you are right because shyam told you or Ram told you. Appeal to authority, Personal attack fallacy. Keep going. Page 6 has reasoning with only 2008 text as you asked.keep dreaming. india has exemption because of 2008 . 2011 paragraph 6) and 7) are not going to replace 2008 paragraph 6) and 7) for india, as long india waiver held up. only when that waiver is teared down or nullified then india will back to the general compartment understood. its not very complex if you under stand this logic.
Personal attack again. No logical rebuttal. Keep attacking me. Personal attack fallacy of arguments.Every diplomat before signing the agreement in 2008 says ENR is not part of this bilateral agreement. France, Russia and America. Only a nuclear scientist from Russia who is not part of Russian government said we will place ENR in India. No legal standing for him as he was not even part of the governmental program. So they all got together and did you know what to you. Soft state. No one gave you ENR in 2008 and no one promised to give you ENR in 2008. They only said we will discuss. Like proposal to marry. Withdrawn now I got all I wanted from you.
So even here your argument fails.
are you brain dead. ENR provision is specifically added into the 2008 waiver. which govt head said ENR is not included in 2008 agreement ?
India inches closer to NSG membership - Times Of IndiaNEW DELHI: As India inches towards a membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), the China-Pakistan nuclear transfer is a sign of the growing impotence of the high priesthood of nuclear affairs.
The US circulated a "non-paper" on India's membership at the NSG plenary meeting held in Seattle on June 22. The most controversial part of the paper is that NPT membership not be seen as a "condition" for being in the NSG. The "food-for-thought" paper took forward its recommendation for India's membership that the US had circulated at the last plenary in Noordwijk last year.
With the US at the helm of NSG this year, India feels its chances of securing a membership of the non-proliferation quartet — NSG, Wassenaar Arrangement, Australia Group and MTCR — are better than ever before. A statement issued at the end of the plenary said they "continued to consider all aspects of the implementation of the 2008 Statement on Civil Nuclear Cooperation with India and discussed the NSG relationship with India." But a consensus continues to elude the group.
There is no need for any extreme action. I think India already has bombs that it needs. It is better to focus on economic development AND developing local armament industries.What should we do if we are not granted full membership this time?
I say test a proper thermonuclear device. The press statement should read that India's arsenal is primarily fusion based and hence we do not require any more uranium than we already have to enhance our stockpile.
Human mind is such that we can always find alternative way of reaching our goals. As you have mentioned the use of Thorium is the way to go once two reactors are success.If there is a snub and india implements the thorium program in the future
It will keep india out of the uranium market and countries like australia will lose a great opportunity
I feel that nuclear power is not the correct way to go. It is better to stop worrying about NSG. The policies of foreign countries cannot be relied upon.Human mind is such that we can always find alternative way of reaching our goals. As you have mentioned the use of Thorium is the way to go once two reactors are success.
All major powers are slowly coming around. India cannot take a stupid step right now and blow it away. 60 years of all kinds of denial mindset cannot be removed in 6 years. That we got this far is an achievement. We can wait for a couple more years. It will not hurt us. The good thing is that we are getting uranium supplies from other countries.
Track, you are wrong when you say we dont need uranium because we have fusion weapons. We need uranium for the fusion weapons in the primary and we needs tons of uranium to power our nuclear subs. This is why the nuke deal is so important. It frees our domestic uranium and enrichment facilities to concentrate on weapons program.
I do not think there are other nations other than china and pakistan. Pakistan is not a nation of NSG so her opposition do not count.NSG is a club which functions on the principle of unanimity. If even a single country of the 48 member group opposes India's membership into NSG, she cannot be accommodated. At present, China, NewZealand, Ireland, Israel, South Africa and Pakistan are lined up against us. It is anybody's guess whether India will be in NSG.
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