India's Biological Warfare counter capability

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This thread is dedicated to discuss India's bio war capability.

I realised that we don't have a dedicated thread regarding this subject and with the breakout of Wuhan/Corona/Chinese virus this thread is more needed than ever.

Stick to the topic at hand.

We will discuss possible Bio war doctrines, protocol, preparedness and Strategy in Indian light.


Stick to the topic at hand and keep away from off topic post.

This is not a China bashing thread so keep the insults as per requirement but remember to always #CKMKB.
 

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Hi guys, just wanted to understand this really stupid idea of mine.

Is is possible that someone releases a virus A(mild) and after it hits at it's peak and they give a vaccine for the virus so everyone takes a shot of it. Releases another virus B(Far more deadly) to target those who have received the vaccination.
 

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Lesson from this epidemics can be taken from few tag words which I think must be ready and accessible all the time.

Border closure.
Quarantine facilities.
Isolation Hospital units and ICU.
Personal protection Equipment.
Ventilators and other dedicated infrastructure.
Food and essential commodity strategic storage and supply.
Continuous investment in advance R&D on virus strains and vaccines including warning systems and mitigation of disease by prompt implementation of ready to go health policy working in tandem with administration.
 

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Is is possible that someone releases a virus A(mild) and after it hits at it's peak and they give a vaccine for the virus so everyone takes a shot of it. Releases another virus B(Far more deadly) to target those who have received the vaccination.
There is a possibility that one might develop an immunity to virus B without getting a vaccine if one is infected with virus A and recovers. Assuming the vaccine for virus A will be effective for virus B.
 

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https://m.timesofindia.com/india/0-...p-ppe-production/amp_articleshow/75038389.cms
Before March we never produced ,rather imported all of them.
There are almost zero infectious disease post graduation seats in India
Almost zero academic seats on virology ,bacteriology and parasitology so obviously we can understand the amount of research going in these fields
Very few pharma companies doing R&D on newer drugs .
On top of that our hygeine sense is awesome.
All these ,and other factors which I am not much aware of shows that we have a long way to go before we are prepared for a bio warfare
 

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Hi guys, just wanted to understand this really stupid idea of mine.

Is is possible that someone releases a virus A(mild) and after it hits at it's peak and they give a vaccine for the virus so everyone takes a shot of it. Releases another virus B(Far more deadly) to target those who have received the vaccination.
Vaccines are made from milder strains of a particular organism or from part of their body . Vaccines are basically these abovesaid organisms or body parts which will induce formation of antibodies against the same ,so that in future if the human comes in contact with the organism his body will form adequate antibodies to kill these organisms. It's impossible that a person who has been vaccinated against an organism becoming more prone to another strain of same organism
 
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This thread is dedicated to discuss India's bio war capability.
Well, National Institute of Virology in Delhi possess various strains of virus including some coronaviruses.

India's biological warfare abilities (at least in public) are still limited as compared to West, Russia, Japan and China as NIL Delhi institute is all we have. Nor we have so many virologists or R&D programs on virus and pathogens.

We are still something in chemical warfare though.
 

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Well, National Institute of Virology in Delhi possess various strains of virus including some coronaviruses.

India's biological warfare abilities (at least in public) are still limited as compared to West, Russia, Japan and China as NIL Delhi institute is all we have. Nor we have so many virologists or R&D programs on virus and pathogens.

We are still something in chemical warfare though.
Civilian bio division and military bio division are 2 seperate entities.

Civilian facilities dont dable in weapon grade agents due to the high risks associated with it and also due to secrecy and security reasons. Once location is revealed it becomes prone to risks from enemies both internal and external .

Military facilities are unmarked locations and fly under the radar due to secrecy and security reasons and importantly because they need to produce weapons grade bio agents inorder to cultivate the antidote say for defensive purposes . Bio facilities have highest security clearance way beyond nuclear weapons related facilities.

So when a country says it is maintaining Bio weapons facilities for defensive purpose , it is merely sound byte because if one chooses to weaponize it or wants to keep the option open one doesn't need dedicated production units for producing the same .

Biological agents are self replicating microorganisms , even minute quantities produced in labs to research " for defensive purposes " can wipe out entire populations.

Highest security classification for civilian facilities is BSL 4

For military facilities the rating is beyond BSL 4 . It is a state secret of the individual nations who possess such facilities and they will never release the said info.

As for India the answer is within my reply.
 

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I wrote this previously , am reposting it here

Military grade level 4+/5 bio labs are very difficult to breach.

Multiple close circuit air circulation systems , 100% redundancy.

Automatic scrubbers working 24/7 at different tiers

Core has emergency burners installed , on activation burns air and everything inside to contain leaks .

Even containment doors are interlocking to prevent leakage during ingress or exit of personnel, time pads including.

Also human made bioagents are made through splicing , UV and phenol etc treatment . So tell tale signs of modification is always there , any competent lab on bio analysis will be able to pinpoint bioengineering ( though there might be exceptions eg. If method of natural selection is applied to indirectly bioengineer the virus , then no direct sign of human modification of the virus will be detected )


Whenever a weapon grade bioagent is engineered , concurrently a weakened strain of the same is engineered as a failsafe . It is the SOP during bio agent development unless one is hellbent on suicide.

The weakened strain is used to develop the antidote , own troops are innoculated against the weapon grade bioagent through the weakened strain , working principle same as anti venom of snake.

Primarily bioagent like viruses and certain biotoxins have a oxidation life , where a weapon grade virus after breaking dormancy losses virulence after a fixed time period so that own troops can move in. However to cater for any unexpected behaviour ( natural mutation ) of bio agent after release , own troops are also innoculated via the weakened strain to develop immunity .

There are different types of bioagents so expect some diffence in offensive and defensive measures.
 
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Well, National Institute of Virology in Delhi possess various strains of virus including some coronaviruses.

India's biological warfare abilities (at least in public) are still limited as compared to West, Russia, Japan and China as NIL Delhi institute is all we have. Nor we have so many virologists or R&D programs on virus and pathogens.

We are still something in chemical warfare though.
We have a few level 4 bio-safety labs.. I am sure that they are being utilized appropriately.
 

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Another one which I wrote previously in the early days when the news of the outbreak in China first came out , am reposting it here after deleting some of the contents.

One tablespoon of pure refined virus with 100% virulence is enough to wipe out entire human population within one month if weather conditions favours it's spread.

Greenish molds on bread , visually same , refined and lab produced virus in bulk is like that in appearance, albeit powdery but generally white in colour.

IMO
Biowarfare agents not nukes are the final guarantors of sovereignty
If the Chinese took the risk inspite of all their firepower , they must have solid reasons to do so. An important point we all are missing. Does India have reasons to worry.

The West especially Canada and UK is the proxy of US for R&D on offensive bioweapons.
The west have been waging biowarfare on other nations since long , bio engineered crops etc is just a tip of the iceberg . Porkistan ISI banned the same , but did we ?

Anyways bioweapons in west have come a long way , reasons to believe they are safe to operate and very target specific .
 
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Lesson from this epidemics can be taken from few tag words which I think must be ready and accessible all the time.

Border closure.
Quarantine facilities.
Isolation Hospital units and ICU.
Personal protection Equipment.
Ventilators and other dedicated infrastructure.
Food and essential commodity strategic storage and supply.
Continuous investment in advance R&D on virus strains and vaccines including warning systems and mitigation of disease by prompt implementation of ready to go health policy working in tandem with administration.
The biggest lesson is that not the Armed Forces but general population would be subjected to massive Biological Warfare .... It has emerged as a major WMD ... post Chinese Wuhan Corona Virus...

All major warfare in future will target population of the enemy and commit genocide .... Even the terrorists organisation will resort to this kind of Warfare such as Tablighi Jamaat has deliberately used their members towards that goal in India..... terrorists may resort to threatening and blackmailing governments and country of use of viruses which would be inexpensive and easy to produce and use,,, We may very soon see Islamic Virus.... in line with Islamic bomb.
 

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