Not sure why you are so against women flying aircraft and its a matter of a joke to youIAF should form the entire suadron with woman fighter pilots and name this Squadron as FLYING CHICKS. :biggrin2::biggrin2:
I am pretty sure they can, considering women astronauts and also I watch F1 which has a maximum of 8g's on the some tracks with high speed corners and a regular 5g's under braking. Now there are women racers too in F1, not regular but they, from what i've seen, can perform. Now in a aircraft its much higher, a well built woman can be able to pull that off with proper training.really i do NOT support the idea of women in combat roles even though as the longer time members would know that i am a feminist and staunch supporter of women's rights as equals - yes we are equal with men but not identical
so i agree with you that women cant take high G which is obviously required as a fighter pilot but also neither do it support women's role in tanks nor indeed in ANY combat role
Did you graduate from "gender is a social construct" school of feminism?Not sure why you are so against women flying aircraft and its a matter of a joke to you
You do realise that it is a indian forum where international visit daily and then to them its quite evident that we as Indian is a misogynist country , so kudos to you you are doing great service to your nation
Coming to the point , I believe that India should have taken this step earlier becuase the ability irrespective of gender depends on ones personal traits and expertise , the sooner we realise it the much better
After that, survival of the fittest would kick in and these feminazis would be put to sleep once again.BTW, ten years down the line, when women can't compete with men here on same standards as men, you will hear fembots asking for lowering of military standards for women. Mark my words
Not really, all testosterone driven species have males dominating their versions of the society. Lion, tiger, dogs, wolfs, apes, monkeys etc etc etcThe problem is in understanding of our species and not in gender. If you look at other species of animals, females dominates, either due to their size or for due their reproductive skills
I am not sure what you are trying to say here ,but just to be clear, I don't oppose this move to allow women. But I am not in favor of encouraging it and in fact would prefer discouraging it.We try to change because society is evolving, but we have reached this level because we broke the barriers to next level through sheer hard work and countless sacrifices. Adaptation, survival and domination through intelligence and strength. The day we lower our standards is the day start the decline of humans altogether as the decay will set in.
If women want a role equal, they should do it, not ask or beg. Compete against men or loose and for that they would have to shed their size zero figures and build themselves up.
The problem is, both men and women won't like this.
I was taking more of arthropods like ants and some spider species.Not really, all testosterone driven species have males dominating their versions of the society. Lion, tiger, dogs, wolfs, apes, monkeys etc etc etc
Not valid comparison.I was taking more of arthropods like ants and some spider species
Its not societal bias- its just the way nature works. A society with 400 men and 1000 women is far more likely to proper than a society with 1000men and 400 women, all other things being equal.I understood your viewpoint, which had little societal bias, and understandable, even I have that. I was just adding more on that. I personally am indifferent. If they can, they should, i only say don't beg or ask for equal treatment. It should always be merit based selection, so if they qualify they will get it.
I'd ask why not but we are offtopic now.Not valid comparison.
I think they can already remove their eggs and store it in cryo.Its not societal bias- its just the way nature works. A society with 400 men and 1000 women is far more likely to proper than a society with 1000men and 400 women, all other things being equal.
Of course, if we can invent an artificial womb, then we can go all in on all kinds of equality. Till then, gender roles have a very real basis and very important role to play. this is why, women in army should be discouraged on a social level, atleast till artificial womb is invented
Because the difference in men and women is mostly due to testosterone and comparing human gender roles with that of insects which lack them is stupid beyond belief.I'd ask why not but we are offtopic now.
So what? You still need a womb to grow it into a full baby.I think they can already remove their eggs and store it in cryo.
My point was females in other species have dominant role, due to their biological and evolutionary superiority over its male counterparts, that's it.Because the difference in men and women is mostly due to testosterone and comparing human gender roles with that of insects which lack them is stupid beyond belief.
Google how babies are born out of egg freezing technique. It new.So what? You still need a womb to grow it into a full baby.
The other animal species cannot read, write and wield thousands of tons weapons. Neither ALL other species have the dominant roles.My point was females in other species have dominant role, due to their biological and evolutionary superiority over its male counterparts, that's it.
And you want IAF to put that in contract? Do you even have any idea how many potential hell will break lose by the feminist liberal media and champagne sipping intelligentsia?Google how babies are born out of egg freezing technique. It new.
http://uscfertility.org/egg-freezing-faqs/
Armed forces for a poor country such as India are to defend the nation in a hostile neighborhood, not assuage the fragile egos of Indians who derive pride from what the rest of world thinks of them on such silly issues.Not sure why you are so against women flying aircraft and its a matter of a joke to you
You do realise that it is a indian forum where international visit daily and then to them its quite evident that we as Indian is a misogynist country , so kudos to you you are doing great service to your nation
Coming to the point , I believe that India should have taken this step earlier becuase the ability irrespective of gender depends on ones personal traits and expertise , the sooner we realise it the much better
This is another one of the times, the geniuses here in DFI try to teach a doctor medicineGoogle how babies are born out of egg freezing technique. It new.
http://uscfertility.org/egg-freezing-faqs/
Exactly what I meant. We have to compare like with like. Black widows kill their mates after mating, We should perhaps take it as an epitome female behavior on Humans as wellThe other animal species cannot read, write and wield thousands of tons weapons. Neither ALL other species have the dominant roles.
Ok doctor sahab, my suggestion was women can use this method after retirement. Lets say they store their eggs before service and after retirement fulfill their dreams of becoming a mother. This way no unwanted pregnancy during service.This is another one of the times, the geniuses here in DFI try to teach a doctor medicine
Dude, there is no artificial womb. What the article is talking about is taking the egg and storing it for later use, say at the age of 40/50 instead of having to give birth at say 25. You still need a womb from a woman, the same donar or someone else to implant the said egg for it to grow after fertilisation. What do you think embryo transfer refers to? To kitchen sink? No. It is transfered to the womb(uterus), after 2 days of fertilisation at the morula stage of the embryo(most usually)
and of course, I was talking about the supply side of wombs and not the eggs when I said we need the artificial wombs for achieving the Theoretical equality you are all suggesting here
They dont just kill, they eat itExactly what I meant. We have to compare like with like. Black widows kill their mates after mating, We should perhaps take it as an epitome female behavior on Humans as well
Armed forces is service before self, besides its a safety issue. In case women combatants are captured, they can avoid pregnancy if the captors use rape tactics.And you want IAF to put that in contract? Do you even have any idea how many potential hell will break lose by the feminist liberal media and champagne sipping intelligentsia?
How many of the officers will actually be ready to honor that agreement they made in their youth once they get married? How many lawsuits will there be in courts seeking relaxation when they will show it as gender discrimination?
wow this is a great thread and i have never give so many likes as in this oneI am opposed to the idea purely from the POV of economics. Most of the woman fighter pilots will choose to marry and have children, that would be crores of rupees down the drain. The same resources can be utilised towards training male pilots who will be contractually obligated to serve the mandatory service period and when the same can be said about the female ones, IAF cannot prevent them from getting married or having children. A fighter pilot also needs to be at the peak of physical fitness, unlike a transport or chopper pilot, which the female pilots will not be able to keep soon after the child birth. Which means if a female fighter pilot gets pregnant, IAF loses a pilot for at least 1.5 years.
I don't have any problem with a female soldier as long as she can pull her wait, but a fighter pilot is a different ball game where extensive training which costs huge money is involved.
The other animal species cannot read, write and wield thousands of tons weapons. Neither ALL other species have the dominant roles.
And you want IAF to put that in contract? Do you even have any idea how many potential hell will break lose by the feminist liberal media and champagne sipping intelligentsia?
How many of the officers will actually be ready to honor that agreement they made in their youth once they get married? How many lawsuits will there be in courts seeking relaxation when they will show it as gender discrimination?
facing high G's is an issue the medical folks are in a position to consider better .....but the main factors to consider in women playing a combat role is the GRAVE disruption it brings to family life .... eg in the case of a woman astronaut or would be vyomanaut, if the husband was nice guy the family could relocate to a city that makes it convenient for the woman, she would undergo training and come home tired , but she would not be facing hostile situations and combat scenarios where the chances of her getting hurt are rather highI am pretty sure they can, considering women astronauts and also I watch F1 which has a maximum of 8g's on the some tracks with high speed corners and a regular 5g's under braking. Now there are women racers too in F1, not regular but they, from what i've seen, can perform. Now in a aircraft its much higher, a well built woman can be able to pull that off with proper training.
Although their natural bodily function may be limiting factor for them sometimes, but i am sure science is or will be able to deal with that problem for those willing.
I personally support such move, not for combat right of now but as a groundwork being laid for future generation.