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Why not raising awareness and demand. Inspite of doing "Andolans" and strike marches on street regarding politics and religion , why not concentrate on materialistic acquisition ?

Why does the regular soldier not form groups and rebel back against superiors for acquisition of soldier inputs modifications ?

Just because they're too docile and talking back against higher brass would tag them with a red flag stamp ?
We really are cowards to elder figures aren't we . "Jo ho raha hain ho ne do" attitude of Maj.Jacob
Its not limited for military the whole govt departments all over india suffers from this .Compared with the rest of departments its lot better in armed forces.Btw in uniformed forces we can’t raise our voices against superiors it will amount to disciplinary action.
 

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Why not raising awareness and demand. Inspite of doing "Andolans" and strike marches on street regarding politics and religion , why not concentrate on materialistic acquisition ?

Why does the regular soldier not form groups and rebel back against superiors for acquisition of soldier inputs modifications ?

Just because they're too docile and talking back against higher brass would tag them with a red flag stamp ?
We really are cowards to elder figures aren't we . "Jo ho raha hain ho ne do" attitude of Maj.Jacob
Easy said then done, when you have kids to feed and a family to take care of , you dont do anything that might have negative effect of on your source of livelihood.
+ Army bass will be swift to take actions against those who stand up in opposition and no one will even notice,
+ Average jawan lack the knowledge available in open sources
And average officer is not interested as much in spending time on researching ,
And those officers who want a change are suppressed,
You have to Remember what maj sushant said .

Now the solution is some crazy ass officer to survive the brass circus till he becomes senio official and then enforce change, that requires crazy motivation for spending more than decade for goal the beneficiary dont believe in and providers are not fond of.
 

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Well it basically bools down to:-
1. Different soldiers wear pants at different heights .
2.Different soldiers have different width of legs
3.Different soldiers have different length of legs, some have huge legs and some have not so huge legs
4.Some prefer to have relatively tight fitting around knee pads, some prefer loose fitting
5.Some prefer to mount knee pads at higher side of knee while some prefer lower or middle.

Solution:-
1. Custom pants for all operators (not possible)
2. Have integrated knee pad height adjusters along side width adjuster for knees.
Now for height adjuster you will have to have extra cloth for length tucked inward which will make operator uncomfortable , so you either use thin soft stretchable material or have second inner layer between which the the tabs will lie,
Crye usually tuck height adjusting tabs in pockets with extra cloth around it
Width adjuster near knee is not that difficult to produce ,whats difficult is to make sure that strap do not make operator fee uncomfortable.
You have to also make sure that your knee pad support structure is big enough for it not fall out and thin enough for operators comfort, thats just about knee pad.
Lets not talk about materials and straps for pockets and placement of pockets and other shit.
I understand your points but for the regular issue soldier it can be simplified to certain extent .
1. Size of pants can make a difference in the placement of padding . For each size the length can vary upto a certain optimal range . The increase of size of pockets would directly be proportional to that of pants .
2. For the issue of different heights of soldiers wearing uniform , one can use different stuffing for their Knee pockets . But if I'm not wrong there is a specific length of knee pockets which might stay unaltered since the size of regular pad stays the same irrespective of user . This also means that despite the difference in sizes , the snug fit can be ensured .
3. Now we can't adjust and customize everything according to each different user or soldier since that hampers logistical unity . The thing can be an avg military grade , which doesn't mean the highest quality but it means that a functional and efficient instrument at a reasonable cost . Ofcourse the quality wont be as high as that of 3rd party vendors or Crye design but it would be functional enough for regular infantry and would also be easy to produce en masse .

Also if you notice this , you'll see that the regular US arny pants didnt come with velcro width adjustor in their knees , ankles nor did they have knee pad sections . But currently since you can acquire Multicam from almost any open sources from any part of the world , they used private acquisitions when their apparel or tactical eqts needed replacement . Now you have thousands of sources , in america itself e.g. Rothco ,Crye , Patagonia (replacing crye in some special forces units ) as substitute goods .
But this facility of ours has been put on a hold , since Indopat has been solely proprieted by NIFT and Army . The share of IPR has not been updated , and the supplier yet to be identified . The first 50K delivered to some frontline units (I myself saw it) , international exercise teams and high brass officers . Unless one good supplier gets selected , we wont see the necessary changes to the design .
And acc to my assumptions , instead of selecting a tactically experienced firm , they're gonna go with a regular firm with high amount production capacities
 

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@Meal Team 6


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Observe the second last operator to the right . He custom stitched a velcro patch on his pouch . Signs that a lot of soldiers are stitching these , since the international exercises last year , for strapping the New Indian Army combat patch
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also some long ass suppressor
Well they are the only suppressors that can be fit and is manufactured or assembled locally, so yeah cant complain much . Tavor or x95 wasn't meant to be suppressed in the earlier days , so the homogenius options are less or none . Whatever suppressors we have access to are just the S-TARs with their Mepro Hunters removed

Also we dont have SBRs. Its either Tavor, m4 size or Mp9,UZI size . Garuds and Marcos have CTAR , and X95 SB config respectively
 

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Easy said then done, when you have kids to feed and a family to take care of , you dont do anything that might have negative effect of on your source of livelihood.
+ Army bass will be swift to take actions against those who stand up in opposition and no one will even notice,
+ Average jawan lack the knowledge available in open sources
And average officer is not interested as much in spending time on researching ,
And those officers who want a change are suppressed,
You have to Remember what maj sushant said .

Now the solution is some crazy ass officer to survive the brass circus till he becomes senio official and then enforce change, that requires crazy motivation for spending more than decade for goal the beneficiary dont believe in and providers are not fond of.
Who is incharge of 10 para , they are downright the best equipped (aesthetically) .

Also how does personnel issue or purchase gear such as MKU MACS or independent arc rails , Steiner DBAL ,foregrips or sights using commanders emergency funds ? Can any one experienced member answer this , step by step process from request to delivery
 

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MARCOS in 2nd clip
We’ve seen that clip before. The amount of fragging in this one clip is insane. I just listened to mark bisonnet on some podcast and fragging is an immediate expulsion during green team (DEVGRU selection). Weapon handling skills of Indian units is generally pretty atrocious by international standards but this was even worse than usual
 

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Also don't know if this is good news or bad , but we have started to adopt IWI GL40
Well now that we are , why not buy some tavors with lower rails to accommodate some grips or such
Australia would never put their SAS on display like this, just saying

If they could drop the pretence of being an SF and fully embrace what they are (airborne infantry) this would actually be a really decent capability the IA has
 

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Who is incharge of 10 para , they are downright the best equipped (aesthetically) .

Also how does personnel issue or purchase gear such as MKU MACS or independent arc rails , Steiner DBAL ,foregrips or sights using commanders emergency funds ? Can any one experienced member answer this , step by step process from request to delivery
In my opinion 9 Para are better equipped, both aesthetically and functionally.

As for emergency procurements by commanders, I don't think they have to go through the whole ordeal of tenders and RFPs. But commanders can go ahead and choose the product that they need from a specific manufacturer and place an order for the required number of units to the purveyor.
 

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Well it basically bools down to:-
1. Different soldiers wear pants at different heights .
2.Different soldiers have different width of legs
3.Different soldiers have different length of legs, some have huge legs and some have not so huge legs
4.Some prefer to have relatively tight fitting around knee pads, some prefer loose fitting
5.Some prefer to mount knee pads at higher side of knee while some prefer lower or middle.

Solution:-
1. Custom pants for all operators (not possible)
2. Have integrated knee pad height adjusters along side width adjuster for knees.
Now for height adjuster you will have to have extra cloth for length tucked inward which will make operator uncomfortable , so you either use thin soft stretchable material or have second inner layer between which the the tabs will lie,
Crye usually tuck height adjusting tabs in pockets with extra cloth around it
Width adjuster near knee is not that difficult to produce ,whats difficult is to make sure that strap do not make operator fee uncomfortable.
You have to also make sure that your knee pad support structure is big enough for it not fall out and thin enough for operators comfort, thats just about knee pad.
Lets not talk about materials and straps for pockets and placement of pockets and other shit.
The difference in leg sizes are not as drastic as you are making them to be, and even if they were it should not matter sf soldiers. They are the best the Indian army has and are very few in numbers, custom kit should not be a problem.
 

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Easy said then done, when you have kids to feed and a family to take care of , you dont do anything that might have negative effect of on your source of livelihood.
+ Army bass will be swift to take actions against those who stand up in opposition and no one will even notice,
+ Average jawan lack the knowledge available in open sources
And average officer is not interested as much in spending time on researching ,
And those officers who want a change are suppressed,
You have to Remember what maj sushant said .

Now the solution is some crazy ass officer to survive the brass circus till he becomes senio official and then enforce change, that requires crazy motivation for spending more than decade for goal the beneficiary dont believe in and providers are not fond of.
Its attitude, education and language. The US, Australians, british ,europeans have similar culture and education so they look at each other for inspiration.
 

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The difference in leg sizes are not as drastic as you are making them to be, and even if they were it should not matter sf soldiers. They are the best the Indian army has and are very few in numbers, custom kit should not be a problem.
My brother there are thousands of operators in para sf now , custom kit is not possible to my believe, difference in leg size is not that drastic but even a slightly bad adjustment will be uncomfortable and they wont be able to adjust the knee pad like they would an external chapri knee pad,that will be enough for an operator to say "ma chu*** main nhi pahanta, " there will be guys who wont care much, but there will also be lot of guys who would opt out of ever using integrated knee pads. For wider implementation you will have to look towards everyone.
 

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My brother there are thousands of operators in para sf now , custom kit is not possible to my believe, difference in leg size is not that drastic but even a slightly bad adjustment will be uncomfortable and they wont be able to adjust the knee pad like they would an external chapri knee pad,that will be enough for an operator to say "ma chu*** main nhi pahanta, " there will be guys who wont care much, but there will also be lot of guys who would opt out of ever using integrated knee pads. For wider implementation you will have to look towards everyone.
To answer your first question that's why manufacturers give option to size variants . So that the operator can choose their limited range of sizes apt for their body structure. Hence it's upto a soldier to modify their war.

And the second is that once you show an operator how to put in knee pads in knee pockets , following the Indian behaviour , they won't care to adjust much or have time to think or research . They'll just roll on with it . And there are not many possible options for this minute issue .

It's not as complex as setting up a plate carrier. You don't have to think much with where to put the radio pouches so that it won't hamper you or where to keep extra mags in case u need them .
That said , Armasen is equipping a whole bunch of Marcos operators , with their custom builds .

Ik that para is larger but if it can be done so why not be done :cruisin2:
 

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