Indian Special Forces

[vidhwanshak]

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yehi ki aapke arguments fuddu hai.

Kaha pe SAS ne british citizens ko marra kaha pe Navy Seals ne Americans citizen ko maara?

aap show kar rahe ho Afghan/Syrians ko.. ye log Americans ya British citizens hai?

kyu simple si baat samjh nahi aati aapko??

abhi bahot peeche hai hum log bahot zaada. aap ye baat accept hi nahi kar paa rahe to improve kaise karoge??

 

[Suryavanshi]

Look whos back.
From that day onwards SF thread would never be the same.

 

[shouryav105]

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Look whos back.
From that day onwards SF thread would never be the same.

Arey lawrence bishnoi bhai, police walo na apko phir phone dediya kya ? Ab kiski supari nikaloga ?

 

[rohit b3]

yehi ki aapke arguments fuddu hai.

Kaha pe SAS ne british citizens ko marra kaha pe Navy Seals ne Americans citizen ko maara?

aap show kar rahe ho Afghan/Syrians ko.. ye log Americans ya British citizens hai?

kyu simple si baat samjh nahi aati aapko??

abhi bahot peeche hai hum log bahot zaada. aap ye baat accept hi nahi kar paa rahe to improve kaise karoge??

Soo, they are operating in Syria/Afghanistan and they have cause British/American civilian casualties? When was the last time they were operating in some mountain/forest in their own country? Matlab arguments ke liye kuch bhi. lol

 

[EternalNxg]

The first step towards a solution is
Recognising you have a problem. Just gonna leave this here.

 

[Hfg..]

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you need equipment like this at night.Raat me kisi ko kuch nahi dikhta bhai isliye ye equipemt bane hai.
Lekin Indian SF being fucking Sigma Male Chads ye sab bag me rakhti hai aur bina dekhe civilians ko thok deti hai.

Wtf is Civilians ko thok deti hai? Unhone jaan ke kiya tha kya?
SF personnel are also humans. They can also make mistakes.
Prove your point but don’t use such kind of words

 

[SKC]

Me reading the thread:

let me know which group wins and which lose the arguments.

Fir mai bhi sabke sath milkar harne wale ko g**li dunga

 

[shouryav105]

 

[itsme]

Some people don't understand the criticisms not against the individual soldiers, they are the best of the best, they are truly special. The criticism is against the system and the higher command which has caused the current deficiency in outdated training, outdated equipment, organization and mandate. A problem cannot be fixed unless its been identified.

 

[JConline]

Finally, someone spoke about their AC tents . lol. I was keeping that as a "weapon" to be used for later on arguments incase our low self esteem brothers pointed out how they were surviving Afghanistan.

But anyway, you are right. They have unparalleled technology and logistics. When we have exercises with them, we learn more about their logistics and get first hands on their latest toys. Whislt we teach them about our training , SOPs and drills.
In short, they learn about our tactics, we learn about their equipment.

That's cause they won't share their tactics what USA widely considers to still be a 3rd world country.
Dekh bhai, tu ne jitna behes kiya hai, itna se pata chalta hai ki tujhe jhaant kuch samajh nahi aata SOF ke baare mein.
Results bol raha hai, toh sun le. Tier 1 ke results kabhi nahi nikalte duniya mein. Cause they are Tier 1. The stuff they do is heavily confidential. Aur hamare yaha ek Surgical Strike ko leke movie tak ban gayi. Samjha?
Tier 1 chor. Green Berets or even Vanilla SEALS spend as much as 10 times the time spent at the range by Para SF. Unki tactics videos dekh, transition videos dekh. Samjhega.
Indian Para SF ko koi kharab nahi bol raha, lekin at the world stage, kuch nahi ukhada hai Para SF ne. Literally kuch nahi. Aur jo bhi ukhada hoga 30 saal pehle tha. In the modern world, they just can't stand shoulder to shoulder with any modern SOF unit.
Are yaar Para SF, SOF tak nahi hai bhai. Special Operations Force aur Special Forces mein bohot farak hota hai bhai. Retired Indian officers khub kehte hai ki Para SF is used as specialised infantry in India. What they do is commando work. Not SOF. Not even remotely SOF.

 

[JConline]

Toh unka neighbors kaunsa badha "Pakistan/China" hain? And how much direct/indirect support does Israel get from the West in these wars? Btw fun fact : Even Indian troops are deployed in those areas under UN caps. Most likely some contingents of PARA/PARA SF too.
Never the less, not taking any credit from them. Israeli forces are highly capable. But so are their Indian counterparts.

"Far more training and sophisticated pipeline" toh aap computer screen aur keyboard ke peeche se bol rahe ho naa. PARA SF ka 1 year basic training hota hain. Post that almost 2 years of advanced training in various institutions. How many days of that training you have attended to come to the conclusion?

Again i am repeating for the 1102324th time. Most of their equipment/training/ethos, etc are classified. I am not trying to pretend to be an expert and know what goes on behind closed doors. i am only concerned about the success...be it 50 year old 1971...or 21 Year old Sierra Leone or 7 year old ...Pakistan raids.
And most importantly. The stability even after 40 year old ongoing COIN in Kashmir and 50 year old ongoing in NE and thousands for ops linked to it.


And Indian SOF need no lessons from US SOFs? Hell no, i never said that! Weapons/Equipment training, logistics training and implementation, etc, etc bahut sare aise areas hain where we benefit from them. there are surely other areas too which are discovered during the joint exercises.

But other areas...training, tactics , Sops and many more.. They take away from us.

You gave a funny example. Let me also give one. Take a group of experienced US Army Special forces with their best equipment and excellent marksmanship. From the Indian Side, take a similar number of Gorkhas with their average equipment.

When you drop both of them at 15,000-18,000 ft mountains to take out enemy positions.....and within the first day US units start getting sick and collapsing ...whats the use of those "sophisticated" equipment. Whats the use of your marksmanship training when ur not in a position to shoot at all?
You cant even reach your enemy
Meanwhile the Gorkhas.....well, do i need to say more?

Bhai tu kiya hai kya? Para SF ka 1 yr of basic training and 2 yr of advanced training?
Nahi na? Toh tu kyun itne phat raha hai?
Aur bhai agar equipment hai, toh use kahe nahi karte?!
It's a given that if you have good equipment, you'll use it. Pagal thori hai? Inventory mein quad NODs hai lekin humein toh encounter mein single tube NODs hi use karna hai. Kahi zyada use kar liye toh resale value na ghat jaye.
Kuch nahi hai bhai confidential equipment. Aur MARCOS aur Garuds chutiye hai kya? Jo apne equipment dikhate phir rahe hai?
And Surgical Strikes were a publicity stunt dude. Tu URI movie dekh ke itna phat raha hai kya?
Woh sab kuch nahi hua tha. What they did could have been done by a damn Ghatak Platoon for god's sake.

And seriously? Drop US forces at 15k feet and they'll start suffocating? Tujhe Afghanistan ka terrain pata hai? You know what geographical features they have in their own country? And how frequently they train there?
Itna under-estimate mat kar bhai. Aesehi nahi bane hai woh the best in the world. Para SF underdogs nahi hai, compared to NSDWG and CAG, Para SF is just plain incompetent.
The stuff Para SF does can be done by Army Rangers of the US Army.

 

[JConline]

Toh unka neighbors kaunsa badha "Pakistan/China" hain? And how much direct/indirect support does Israel get from the West in these wars? Btw fun fact : Even Indian troops are deployed in those areas under UN caps. Most likely some contingents of PARA/PARA SF too.
Never the less, not taking any credit from them. Israeli forces are highly capable. But so are their Indian counterparts.

"Far more training and sophisticated pipeline" toh aap computer screen aur keyboard ke peeche se bol rahe ho naa. PARA SF ka 1 year basic training hota hain. Post that almost 2 years of advanced training in various institutions. How many days of that training you have attended to come to the conclusion?

Again i am repeating for the 1102324th time. Most of their equipment/training/ethos, etc are classified. I am not trying to pretend to be an expert and know what goes on behind closed doors. i am only concerned about the success...be it 50 year old 1971...or 21 Year old Sierra Leone or 7 year old ...Pakistan raids.
And most importantly. The stability even after 40 year old ongoing COIN in Kashmir and 50 year old ongoing in NE and thousands for ops linked to it.


And Indian SOF need no lessons from US SOFs? Hell no, i never said that! Weapons/Equipment training, logistics training and implementation, etc, etc bahut sare aise areas hain where we benefit from them. there are surely other areas too which are discovered during the joint exercises.

But other areas...training, tactics , Sops and many more.. They take away from us.

You gave a funny example. Let me also give one. Take a group of experienced US Army Special forces with their best equipment and excellent marksmanship. From the Indian Side, take a similar number of Gorkhas with their average equipment.

When you drop both of them at 15,000-18,000 ft mountains to take out enemy positions.....and within the first day US units start getting sick and collapsing ...whats the use of those "sophisticated" equipment. Whats the use of your marksmanship training when ur not in a position to shoot at all?
You cant even reach your enemy
Meanwhile the Gorkhas.....well, do i need to say more?

And clearly you know absolutely nothing about the geo-politics of Israel and it's neighbours.

 

[JConline]

Wtf is Civilians ko thok deti hai? Unhone jaan ke kiya tha kya?
SF personnel are also humans. They can also make mistakes.
Prove your point but don’t use such kind of words

Ha ha wohi toh. They are humans. Isiliye toh "thora andhera bhi hogaya tha" - words of the Para SF officer who was leading the ambush.
Bhai mere, insaan ko dikhega nahi toh use kaise pata chalega woh kise maar raha hai? Aur dikha kyun nahi? Kyunki Night Vision Devices bolke Jo cheez hoti hai, woh unke paas thi nahi.
Now it begs the question. Best SF in the world but they ended up killing civilians cause they didn't have proper NODs. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Now just for comparison's sake, every US personnel on deployment anywhere in the world is issued NVDs. And I'm not talking Tier 1 or Tier 2 SOF. I'm taking infantryman.
Now what does that say about the BEST SF IN THE WORLD?

 

[thefewthefearless]

Mazaak chal raha hain kya? -

‘Barrage of attacks’: Civilians killed in US raid in Syria

Six children and four women among 13 people killed as US special forces launch raid in Idlib, first responders say.

www.aljazeera.com

Revealed: UK forces linked to deaths of nearly 300 Afghan civilians

MoD compensation logs show just £2,380 paid on average, with more than 80 children among victims

www.theguardian.com

.

Did UK Special Forces execute unarmed civilians?

New evidence suggests some of the UK's most elite troops had a policy of killing unarmed men.

www.bbc.com

Their list of killing civilians and friendly fires are much much higher. Your comment just made me laugh here. As if they have never mistakenly killed civilians.

And again, thats another lesson they learn from use regarding COIN ops -

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-minimum-force-to-us/articleshow/48995743.cms

my dude really compared syria and trashcanistan to kashmir.
not trying to dishonour indian sf.
but TF black has captured several thousands of top level terrorists since their formation with very good success rate. i haven't heard anyone KIA but i'll give a probability.
this is just a small unit of assaulters.

 

[SGOperative]

Who is gonna bet with that this threads gonna lock up just like the previous one

 

[Love Charger]

SOCOM FOCOM WOCOM and all sounds good. no doubt. But again, at the end of the day, what matters? The success. i mentioned in my earlier comment....be it a khukri or a AK47......gotta get the job done.
You are living in a country whose population/landmass is 20 times more than say...Uk/Israel...and your security agencies are making sure that peace and stability is maintained along with a decent economy growth......even when both external and internal elements are doing their best to destroy that.

Says something.

And oh, about 1971.....The little bit of existence and "fame" these Brits and some other Western countries have today are based of their glory days.
"Oh we invented Special forces" "Oh we won WW2(even though we would have had troubles of 2.5 Million Indians didn help us, but we will not mention that)" "Oh Iranian Embassy Siege"...Yada Yada.

Idk about their Special forces, but leave a British soldier at 18,000 ft in Kargil, and they wouldn stay healthy for a day. Let alone have the capacity and training to fight a war .

Ek baar sf modernise karke to dekho , zara acha equipment kharid ke to dekho
Kya harz hai nai doctrine apnane mein
Zara ye soch ke to dekho

 

[BlackViking]

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[vidhwanshak]

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yaar @FalconSlayers bhi ho sakta hai

 

[India Super Power]

Bhai tu kiya hai kya? Para SF ka 1 yr of basic training and 2 yr of advanced training?
Nahi na? Toh tu kyun itne phat raha hai?
Aur bhai agar equipment hai, toh use kahe nahi karte?!
It's a given that if you have good equipment, you'll use it. Pagal thori hai? Inventory mein quad NODs hai lekin humein toh encounter mein single tube NODs hi use karna hai. Kahi zyada use kar liye toh resale value na ghat jaye.
Kuch nahi hai bhai confidential equipment. Aur MARCOS aur Garuds chutiye hai kya? Jo apne equipment dikhate phir rahe hai?
And Surgical Strikes were a publicity stunt dude. Tu URI movie dekh ke itna phat raha hai kya?
Woh sab kuch nahi hua tha. What they did could have been done by a damn Ghatak Platoon for god's sake.

And seriously? Drop US forces at 15k feet and they'll start suffocating? Tujhe Afghanistan ka terrain pata hai? You know what geographical features they have in their own country? And how frequently they train there?
Itna under-estimate mat kar bhai. Aesehi nahi bane hai woh the best in the world. Para SF underdogs nahi hai, compared to NSDWG and CAG, Para SF is just plain incompetent.
The stuff Para SF does can be done by Army Rangers of the US Army.

I can bet u bro para sf can't perform similar ops done by 75th ranger regiment or any other teir 2 force leave alone tier 1 forces
I even doubt if they could fit in tier 3 units

 

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