Indian Special Forces

[SGOperative]

Still, m1974 helmets and Fishermen's vests from 2010 here and there are embarrassing
All those high cuts and reasonably high end gear is from PR or Some ceremony like NSG raising day

Depends on Unit i guess, we saw the 52 and 51 SAG with High Cuts it could be a SRG in the image.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Still, m1974 helmets and Fishermen's vests from 2010 here and there are embarrassing
All those high cuts and reasonably high end gear is from PR or Some ceremony like NSG raising day

Best gear is for SAG, I guess these guys are SRG. Anyways their role is very limited now as many state police have their own units plus terror attacks have dropped to none, they had serious application in Kashmir but they were never given an oppurtunity to operate in J&K. So NSG as an organisation has little to no role left, and even if suddenly a terror attack happens then it will be the law enforcement agencies who will fight with them, only reason last time they were sent to Pathankot airbase was because the Garuds failed to secure the airbase and faced fatal and non-fatal casualties.

 

[SGOperative]

Best gear is for SAG, I guess these guys are SRG. Anyways their role is very limited now as many state police have their own units plus terror attacks have dropped to none, they had serious application in Kashmir but they were never given an oppurtunity to operate in J&K. So NSG as an organisation has little to no role left, and even if suddenly a terror attack happens then it will be the law enforcement agencies who will fight with them, only reason last time they were sent to Pathankot airbase was because the Garuds failed to secure the airbase and faced fatal and non-fatal casualties.

Nope, If tomorrow a Taj Attack Happens it will still be NSG doing the Hostage Rescue their role has reduced but they are very much relevant, now they can even downsize easiy without any hassle.

Also during Pathankot Garuds were limited in numbers plss compared to NSG, NSG outnumbered them during Pathankot and it was CMT in Delhi which decided NSG to be deployed and given the lead role.

 

[Marliii]

I dont think any state police have any way of dealing plane hijacking etc

 

[SGOperative]

I dont think any state police have any way of dealing plane hijacking etc

Let alone Plane Hijacking, NSG is still responsible for High Value Hostage Rescue and are the responders to IED threats in mega cities.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Nope, If tomorrow a Taj Attack Happens it will still be NSG doing the Hostage Rescue their role has reduced but they are very much relevant, now they can even downsize easiy without any hassle.

Also during Pathankot Garuds were limited in numbers plss compared to NSG, NSG outnumbered them during Pathankot and it was CMT in Delhi which decided NSG to be deployed and given the lead role.

Stupid excuse, Garuds are tasked to secure the airbase they operate in and were created for the specific role, so their deployment will always be in adequate numbers. And if another Taj Attack happens, then NSG will only be on standby not the first responders, Force One will be the first one to respond only after that NSG will take over if situation doesn’t come under control.

 

[SGOperative]

Stupid excuse, Garuds are tasked to secure the airbase they operate in and were created for the specific role, so their deployment will always be in adequate numbers. And if another Taj Attack happens, then NSG will only be on standby not the first responders, Force One will be the first one to respond only after that NSG will take over if situation doesn’t come under control.

Regarding NSG you just explained their role the Last Resort of Govt for Terror Incidents

Also Pathankot Airbase was probably not considered that high risk compared to other bases also Garuds dont protect airbases they sure do respond to attacks but there is a sublime difference.
They had zero intel what was going on initially but they made sure they achieve the task they are given of protecting critical assets also NSG came in pretty quick and you should know the Size of the Airbase and the standoff was 3 days long. Garuds achieved their task of protecting the assets.

 

[Marliii]

Stupid excuse, Garuds are tasked to secure the airbase they operate in and were created for the specific role, so their deployment will always be in adequate numbers. And if another Taj Attack happens, then NSG will only be on standby not the first responders, Force One will be the first one to respond only after that NSG will take over if situation doesn’t come under control.

Force one will be first responders but they aren't gonna get pushed to do the op the best they can do is cordon the area

 

[SGOperative]

Force one will be first responders but they aren't gonna get pushed to do the op the best they can do is cordon the area

Nope they will try to end it at their best ability common practice across the world. If they have a chance to kill them why wont they.

 

[Marliii]

Nope they will try to end it at their best ability common practice across the world. If they have a chance to kill them why wont they.

If its out of their capability they will not marco's were the first responders in 26/11

 

[FalconSlayers]

Also Pathankot Airbase was probably not considered that high risk compared to other bases also Garuds dont protect airbases they sure do respond to attacks but there is a sublime difference.

Their main job is to protect the airbase they are stationed in, lack of modern equipment made them ineffective during the op. NSG was called later.

 

[SGOperative]

Their main job is to protect the airbase they are stationed in, lack of modern equipment made them ineffective during the op. NSG was called later.

Their Job is to respond to attacks to protect the base its Air Force Police and DSC. NSG was called in time. Garuds primary objective was to secure the Families and Air Assets and hunting down became the objective of Second Responders.

 

[SGOperative]

If its out of their capability they will not marco's were the first responders in 26/11

Force one dint even exist during 26/11 it was formed after it

 

[Marliii]

Force one dint even exist during 26/11 it was formed after it

I know but they are gonna have a big issue in clearing a building "full of hundreds of civilians with 100s of rooms all that need to be cleared one by one.with terrorists who are armed to the teeth.

 

[SGOperative]

I know but they are gonna have a big issue in clearing a building "full of hundreds of civilians with 100s of rooms all that need to be cleared one by one.with terrorists who are armed to the teeth.

That was the point of creating them, they were modeled after the LOTAR Eilat. They might not be able to clear it completely but they will be able to achieve some good progress before NSG takes oven and even then they will be working with them.

 

[abingdonboy]

Ye NSG wale hamare sath dhoka kar kar rahe the /s
They havent standardized good gear across board yet.

At first thought I knew they’d be SRG, truck markings confirmed it.

NSG still has a long way to go as far as standardisation goes. That they are still employed in VVIP protection even after the Modi govt said in 2015 they’d be removed from this role is depressing, manpower and resource drain when they should be 100% focused on their core responsibilities.

I’d be in favour of NSG downsizing now that CAPFs are taking over close protection roles from them and even deploying QATs in strategic cities. It wouldn’t surprise me if I’m 5 years most major cities in India had a CRPF QAT. SRG could then be done away with so all NSG resources can go to SAG and making NSG a strategic tool again.

 

[abingdonboy]

Stupid excuse, Garuds are tasked to secure the airbase they operate in and were created for the specific role, so their deployment will always be in adequate numbers. And if another Taj Attack happens, then NSG will only be on standby not the first responders, Force One will be the first one to respond only after that NSG will take over if situation doesn’t come under control.

Force one will arrive first, then the NSG hub’s team then the CTTF from Delhi if required. For a complex operation like Taj no one outside of CTTF comes even close to their capabilities and organisation, let’s not delude ourselves.

NSG has helped raise all these state units to
Be the first responders as they know it’s not possible for NSG to do that role.

A national intervention force is absolutely needed for a nation like India but as other units expand they should contract in size and become even more specialised. As I said above there shouldn’t be a need for SRG to exist after a certain point and SAG should only remain to focus on CT/HR/anti-hijacking.

in this instance SRG are there to act as a CAT for the occasion, if Delhi police SWAT weren’t a complete and utter disgrace this role should be given to
Them.

NSG in the future should evolve into a FBI HRT type entity- small but very specialised and given parity with tier1 military units. CTTF is actually an very commendable thing india has, perhaps it and ready teams in the hubs is all NSG should be in the future not this mammoth entity it is right now.

+ there were barely 30 Garuds at pathankot, that mission was never going to succeed without NSG.

 

[senapati3]

Saw this peculiar type of exoskeleton in use with CRPF commandoes , anyone has any idea about its practicality https://photos.app.goo.gl/uUhgJAZbDxVaL8Ys5

https://photos.app.goo.gl/EiSJR4Q7VsbFPNmy8

 

[senapati3]

Posting the original tweet

 

[operatorgrumby]

Lo Operator wala look from CRPF QAT wale....