Indian Special Forces

[FalconSlayers]

Nothing will happen

 

[SUPERPOWER]

First order ATAGS.

 

[Scramjet]

First order ATAGS.

It's on pluto for trails, thoda time lagega wapas laane mein

 

[Hellfire]

The "modern era warfare", as has been so termed on this thread, today consists of what is essentially "imposing war through other means" viz strikes at sub-threshold level, aimed at targeting the C3IEW/C3ISR&SS & disabling C4I2 & C4ID of the enemy, and using surrogates/proxies with special forces elements to achieve small, well defined objectives, aimed at wresting a strategic advantage. The intent is always to keep the conflict to sub-threshold levels, to afford a chance to 'manage' the conflict keeping international situation under reasonable control, affording plausible deniability & yet, being able to achieve objectives, either outright, or incrementally.

I am pretty sure that we do have the idea on how to field significant number of 'operatives' in field conditions, able to blend in to the "modern era battlefield" of today aka urban/rural setup of the densely populated regions of our target countries, where predominance of a specific lifestyle/cultural approach, is easily replicated by our 'assets' assigned the task, due to the diverse nature of our population (in terms of race & dietary habits) & a practical approach of 'region specific training of operatives' including and not limited to language, custom, religious beliefs, food habits etc. One only needs to get an idea of what the curriculum for SG (and am not talking of the Alpha & Bravo Assault Teams here) actually entails.

With regards to the EW/ECMs for SF operations - the necessary capability, to undertake the missions needed, does indeed exist. Problem is a blanket ban on using the equipment in our predominant area of operations - CI/CT zones within own territories - due to the (justified) apprehensions of the 'ruling class' (not limited to the politicians) that the same may be used to keep tabs on them. This 'apprehension' is especially a source of worry for the ruling dispensation in CI/CT zones as whole economies & business models (including elections) are run on the fine balance of having an 'acceptable level of violence' (ironically, the mandate given to the armed forces in 'aid to civil authorities' in CI/CT zones) with political imperatives of the local politicians.

And yes, nice looking fancy uniforms with uniformity of the BDU, and all the hi tech gizmos, do look good. But does that translate into an effective operative able to undertake the desired task?

Also, regarding on interaction with other SF units from other countries. Why does SF component regularly have contact with US/British SF units, which is not reported in the public media except when some Joint Exercise is taken up with major PR exercise with a SF component too?

Interesting so u can generalize the whole army by just looking at the SF modernization. Indian Army knows very well how to defend this country.

Apparently, there is a lot of that going around. You can generalize by looking at uniforms nowadays.

 

[Hellfire]

Student hu profession ki chinta ni waise aviator itne free hote hai kya kuch kam dandha hai ya naam ka aviator hai jawans are more skilled tere ko kya pata hoga tu ye chala raha hai jo

The aviation industry is at a "down" right now ..... companies like Indigo have 03 days mandatory Leave Without Pay per month, in addition to significant pay cuts, being enforced. Spicejet, during these times, had reached a point where the Pilots were only getting paid when they actually flew, on a per hour basis.

You have to grant a Pilot with a PPL/CPL/ATPL the leeway that they have so much automation (A-320 being a base example), that their flying is limited to feeding the data into the FMS (Flight Management System), using Jeppesen to 'read up' about their destination airfield (if at all) & then 'sitting back to relax & enjoy the flight) as the auto-pilot does everything. So, they become experts using ancient sources like our dear own General Sahab with AAP.

In between, they will come up with fancy words like Flap 3 landing and impress you with the difficulty they had.

PS: The only organization that imparts training free of cost is the IAF ... rest all undertake training either in India or abroad, by paying almost Rs 70 to 1 crore ... and that is too not their money
This tidbit is only for reference to something about first earning or thereabouts.

PPS: One of the 'Rawalpindi Freefallers' as I termed them, has certification on more than 02 aircrafts (I won't give exact figures) .. and is a Instructor for them too and runs today a very well known company whose product has been enjoyed by most of the people who live in metropolitan cities.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Don't know if true or not.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Don't know if true or not.

Wish it happens in Andaman and Nicobar, would love to see MARCOS flaunting their best gears during that time.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Wish it happens in Andaman and Nicobar, would love to see MARCOS flaunting their best gears during that time.

Ig it will be happening in Guam, 4 ships have also left to participate in QUAD exercises

 

[Gessler]

Don't know if posted before:

Garuds with Negev and Mepro X4 optic

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Don't know if true or not.

Quad special forces to wargame off Guam in Indo-Pacific

Indian Navy will be represented by two surface combatants led by Guided Missile Destroyer INS Ranvijay and Frigate INS Shivalik along with maritime reconnaissance aircraft P8I, ASW helicopters and special forces.

www.hindustantimes.com

So, yeah, it is true.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Don't know if posted before:

Garuds with Negev and Mepro X4 optic

View attachment 103239

They sure love their magnification even on their machine guns.

 

[abingdonboy]

Russian special forces Mi-171 Sh-VN helicopter.

There’s no rocket science here- some door guns, a MAWS and a EO pod (in addition to FLIR)

No reason whatsoever this couldn’t be done (very cheaply too) for a few IAF V5s for the CSAR role but this is directly as a result of the tactical vs strategic mindset in place within the Indian mil and also the lack of prominence given to SOFs.

+this Russian 17 variant came as a direct result of Russian experiences in Syria, the combatants n the ground identified shortcomings, this made its way back to HQ who then approached industry who came up with a solution - a positive feedback loop.

Meanwhile india has been fighting the same fight in JK/NE the same way for how many decades now? They are only hoping jugaad will save the day.

 

[ManhattanProject]

There’s no rocket science here- some door guns, a MAWS and a EO pod (in addition to FLIR)

No reason whatsoever this couldn’t be done (very cheaply too) for a few IAF V5s for the CSAR role but this is directly as a result of the tactical vs strategic mindset in place within the Indian mil and also the lack of prominence given to SOFs.

+this Russian 17 variant came as a direct result of Russian experiences in Syria, the combatants n the ground identified shortcomings, this made its way back to HQ who then approached industry who came up with a solution - a positive feedback loop.

Meanwhile india has been fighting the same fight in JK/NE the same way for how many decades now? They are only hoping jugaad will save the day.

are you k singh from twitter?

 

[abingdonboy]

are you k singh from twitter?

Indeed

 

[Scramjet]

Wish it happens in Andaman and Nicobar, would love to see MARCOS flaunting their best gears during that time.

Either we'll get to see the best or something straight out of 2014

 

[hawwk]

are nsg trained with smg or is just a preference for close quarter combats?

 

[FalconSlayers]

are nsg trained with smg or is just a preference for close quarter combats?

Your question is very weird

 

[FalconSlayers]

Your question is very weird

@hawwk NSG guys love point blank ‘mind blowing’ so they love SMGs

 

[JBH22]

There were some reports of MOD asking indian vendors for 2800 next generation assault rifles so tavors are mostly getting replaced it seems

That is why you stick to Kalashnikov reliable, rugged, no fancy but works superbly.
Get the ak203 deal optics addition can be done by us. All this galil,tavor,scar look sexy but that's it.

 

[FalconSlayers]

That is why you stick to Kalashnikov reliable, rugged, no fancy but works superbly.
Get the ak203 deal optics addition can be done by us. All this galil,tavor,scar look sexy but that's it.

I am in favour of OFB TAR with AR stock which they showed.

Scrap AK-203, Waste of money.