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No it wouldn't. You could cover everything in 60-70,000, most of which is eaten up by NVGs.
$100,000 is the top end of the budget for JSOC levels

30-40K of which would be for the quad tubes, SDR maybe 1-2K, rifle (with attachments/accessories) 3-5K then all the ancillary stuff that you won’t see immediately to achieve their mission profiles- 10-20K easily

I’m sure @Gessler has a full list with a cost breakdown somewhere.

Either way it’s peanuts compared to the Indian defence budget, pretty sure the GoI spends more on stationery than they do on Indian SFs annually. It’s all about will, let’s never mention money here again, that’s not relevant in the slightest.

SPG’s budget is something like 100-150 million USD, only a fraction will be CAPEX but still this is a force of less than 4000 personnel. Where there’s a will there will be a way, but the strategic mindset just isn’t there- super infantry mindset pervades in SF ranks and their superiors.
 

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$100,000 is the top end of the budget for JSOC levels

30-40K of which would be for the quad tubes, SDR maybe 1-2K, rifle (with attachments/accessories) 3-5K then all the ancillary stuff that you won’t see immediately to achieve their mission profiles- 10-20K easily

I’m sure @Gessler has a full list with a cost breakdown somewhere.

Either way it’s peanuts compared to the Indian defence budget, pretty sure the GoI spends more on stationery than they do on Indian SFs annually. It’s all about will, let’s never mention money here again, that’s not relevant in the slightest.
Indeed
 

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I remmeber reading somewhere The life cycle cost of training and equipping a Tier 1 operator through his entire tenure is 3-4mil.

300 rounds a week adds up over 10-15 years
I wonder how much of that includes salaries. Middle ranked NCOs in a Tier 1 unit have salaries of easily $100k/year and they get fat re-enlistment bonuses too (upwards of 30K)

I’ve heard the training cost of a US SOF operator is around 1 million per man for all the specialised schools they get sent to, probably a bit more for a tier 1 guy but adjust it for cost of living differences and it’s not a huge cost relatively for the Indian exchequer.
 

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$100,000 is the top end of the budget for JSOC levels

30-40K of which would be for the quad tubes, SDR maybe 1-2K, rifle (with attachments/accessories) 3-5K then all the ancillary stuff that you won’t see immediately to achieve their mission profiles- 10-20K easily

I’m sure @Gessler has a full list with a cost breakdown somewhere.

Either way it’s peanuts compared to the Indian defence budget, pretty sure the GoI spends more on stationery than they do on Indian SFs annually. It’s all about will, let’s never mention money here again, that’s not relevant in the slightest.
Not me, I guess it was someone else that posted a breakdown on here once.

Either way, the cost argument is utter BS.

To put it simply, one can seriously upgrade the equipment of the entire SF community in India (about ~10k operators) to a very respectable standard (especially if indigenous alternatives are sought) for not much more than the price of just 1 of these:

 

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Not me, I guess it was someone else that posted a breakdown on here once.

Either way, the cost argument is utter BS.

To put it simply, one can seriously upgrade the equipment of the entire SF community in India (about ~10k operators) to a very respectable standard (especially if indigenous alternatives are sought) for not much more than the price of just 1 of these:

Imagine what we could accomplish with a billion dollars. We could probably revamp the whole support structure as well.
 

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no idea how much true Gen Pang claims are , he also claimed Black top was under our control . which is very clearly false.

but one thing that disappoints me , is that we lost F4 ridge in May because they were wearing kelvar body armor , riot shield , face shield . fuckers even came with strobe lights . thats the extend of their forward thinking.

our guys on other hand looked like they were wearing those bowl helmets.
Just ask any serving personnel about state of readiness of army. No need to blindly accept any one's articles as absolute Truth. What I know is that our army is grossly under equiped and lacks a doctrine. We work on an adhoc basis. Our leaders lack aptitude to war game future scenarios. Coming to special forces, they are a part of a larger machinery and how can you expect a part of a system to act differently when the entire system lacks a direction. Solution lies in a long term plan aka national security doctrine, without which we will keep on working in adhoc manner and perhaps even loose wars.
 

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sorry i didnt know i was hired to spread positivity here.

Soldiers dont have proper boots,uniform,bags, equipment here aur tere jaise roz akay idher bolte he jai ho likho.

Sorry boss you type it i wont..and no one can stop me from typing.

So what should we start saying instead of JAI HO. INSHA ALLA OR ALLA HO AKBAR
 

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Just ask any serving personnel about state of readiness of army. No need to blindly accept any one's articles as absolute Truth. What I know is that our army is grossly under equiped and lacks a doctrine. We work on an adhoc basis. Our leaders lack aptitude to war game future scenarios. Coming to special forces, they are a part of a larger machinery and how can you expect a part of a system to act differently when the entire system lacks a direction. Solution lies in a long term plan aka national security doctrine, without which we will keep on working in adhoc manner and perhaps even loose wars.
Just like to add something, we should not blindly follow any one person, I think we should try to listen to as many person as possible and come to our own conclusions.
For eg .
You can watch the debate of AJAI SUKLA and ABHIJIT IYER MITRA on INDIA TODAY to get better picture and conclusions.
 

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Just like to add something, we should not blindly follow any one person, I think we should try to listen to as many person as possible and come to our own conclusions.
For eg .
You can watch the debate of AJAI SUKLA and ABHIJIT IYER MITRA on INDIA TODAY to get better picture and conclusions.
You are absolutely right. Listening is key to learning, if it doesn't contribute to knowledge than atleast it helps you understand their perspective.
 

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To shriman attack kyo nahi karte reality is they will suffer stalemate which will be worse for them.
They will suffer. I'm not sure about the stalemate part but they WILL suffer.

Rest, I'll leave you guys to argue.
If you guys think India will defeat a country with an enormous domestic self sustained manufacturing capability for their military, you're being delusional.
They can field more weapons than us, thanks to their ability to make it. Meanwhile, we import even the ammunition. We have no uniformity in weapon platforms either.
A single platoon will be using a 9x19 SMG, a 5.56 AR, a 5.56 Bullpup, a 7.62x51 DMR, a 5.56 LMG, a 7.62x51 LMG and a 7.62x54r LMG. Like wtf?
Moving on, let's not even talk of the AF or the heavier platforms.

A simple choke on our Maritime supply route (hard as it may be) and a good, planned out push by the Pakistanis will absolutely fuck it up for us. Tactics don't matter when you don't have logistics. Don't give me that shit about America saving us btw. The entire point of it is whether WE alone could wreck the Chinese.

Then y'all will go all "They swarmed us like dogs. If they came one by one, you'd see!".

Seriously guys. Negativity isn't negativity if it's rooted in reality.
We'll have to pull Israel level miracles to defeat China and I don't want to see our guys facing hopeless odds and pulling a Valley of Tears on the Chinese even if it was possible.

Josh is in the head and no matter how much josh you have, a single shot will make it come squirting out of it. PLA may be a conscript force but the machines are oblivious to it. They carry out their goals dispassionately.

Armenia is a prime example. Motivated soldiers absolutely destroyed by the modern weapons of war.

Edit: As for why they don't attack us-

They have billions of dollars worth of trade with us and they want to take Taiwan first, as a warmup and to gauge their success and the world's response. PLA has always focused more on internal rebellion than external aggression and they look upon Taiwan as the biggest threat to their authoritative governmental apparatus. A simple overview of their history will give you an idea why they want Taiwan more than Ladakh and/or Arunachal.
 
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They will suffer. I'm not sure about the stalemate part but they WILL suffer.

Rest, I'll leave you guys to argue.
If you guys think India will defeat a country with an enormous domestic self sustained manufacturing capability for their military, you're being delusional.
They can field more weapons than us, thanks to their ability to make it. Meanwhile, we import even the ammunition. We have no uniformity in weapon platforms either.
A single platoon will be using a 9x19 SMG, a 5.56 AR, a 5.56 Bullpup, a 7.62x51 DMR, a 5.56 LMG, a 7.62x51 LMG and a 7.62x54r LMG. Like wtf?
Moving on, let's not even talk of the AF or the heavier platforms.

A simple choke on our Maritime supply route (hard as it may be) and a good, planned out push by the Pakistanis will absolutely fuck it up for us. Tactics don't matter when you don't have logistics. Don't give me that shit about America saving us btw. The entire point of it is whether WE alone could wreck the Chinese.

Then y'all will go all "They swarmed us like dogs. If they came one by one, you'd see!".

Seriously guys. Negativity isn't negativity if it's rooted in reality.
We'll have to pull Israel level miracles to defeat China and I don't want to see our guys facing hopeless odds and pulling a Valley of Tears on the Chinese even if it was possible.

Josh is in the head and no matter how much josh you have, a single shot will make it come squirting out of it. PLA may be a conscript force but the machines are oblivious to it. They carry out their goals dispassionately.

Armenia is a prime example. Motivated soldiers absolutely destroyed by the modern weapons of war.
ahh thank you..some common sense
 

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