Indian Special Forces

[Aditya Ballal]

Notice the NSG mag change - happens at waist/chest level.

Notice the Garud changing mags. Happens at chin level. Easier to require and reengage even if eyes are taken off the target

Which method is more superior?

 

[FalconSlayers]

Yes, TI + NVDs are the best bet, but i'll be writting about differences between gen1, gen2, gen 3 NVGs only

Do Gen 3+ come in QUAD?

 

[FalconSlayers]

Notice the NSG mag change - happens at waist/chest level.

Notice the Garud changing mags. Happens at chin level. Easier to require and reengage even if eyes are taken off the target

No bad, it’s pistol for NSG.

 

[Scramjet]

Monocular NVGs:
The definition of a monocular is a single eye unit that has no magnification. These are what we call the Swiss army knife of night vision equipment. A quality monocular is the most versatile of all the night time devices. Their compact size and lightweight make them ideal for head mounting. Many of the higher generation monoculars can be attached to rifle scopes and spotting scopes and can also be mounted directly onto a weapon. Many of these same higher generation monoculars can be mounted onto a weapon in front of a red dot sight that is night vision compatible, such as certain models of Eotech's( i bet this is the reason why army went for lots of pvs 14s). Most of these devices can also be adapted to a camera for photography with the use of a camera adapter. These versatile optics are often small and light enough to fit in a shirt pocket.
There are both pros and cons of the single eye of a monocular verses both eyes of a goggle. The pros are that you can switch back and forth between your eyes when you get tired and that your unaided eye will maintain it's night adaptation and some of your peripheral vision. The US Military feels that this gives the user better situational awareness. The cons to this single eye is that it doesn't feel as natural and will take some time to get used to. With a monocular the user needs to get used to keeping both eyes open to have the best experience.
To sum it up monoculars will give you the most versatility as well as the most accessories to choose from. They are a great choice for those who want a product that will have the ability to do a lot of multi-tasking. The best monocular right now is the PVS-14 (gen 3+)

Night vision Goggles (single tube biocular or dual tube nvg) :

The great thing about these types of devices is that they feel very natural when wearing them and there is very little learning curve to get used to them. There are two types of goggles; a two eye-piece that views through a single image tube(pvs7 type) and a two eye-piece that views through dual image tubes(dual tubes), also known as stereo-vision. Like monoculars, a goggle is a great navigation device. Dual tube goggles offer "stereo vision" meaning each eye sees it's own slightly different image rather than the same image being shared with both eyes. This stereo-vision gives the dual tube goggles even better depth perception allowing for improved navigation ability. The down side of a goggle is more weight and less versatility than a quality monocular. Goggles tend to give a bit better depth perception than a monocular and a dual tube goggle(pvs21 types) gives even better depth perception than a single tube goggle(pvs 7 types) because each eye sees a slightly different image which allows for better judgment of distances for example while wearing a PVS-7 and you’ll notice the image is identical, It’s not true stereoscopic vision. This better depth perception does help with navigation, weather you are walking through a field or navigating your boat around the rocks, it will help. The disadvantage is increased size and weight and less versatility. When wearing a goggle in a head mounted position the extra weight tends to cause the unit to ride down below your eyes when walking, and you'll tend to get more tired with the extra weight as well. Goggles do not have the option to be mounted on rifles or adapted to rifle scopes and camera adaptation is limited also.
Goggles really excel at shorter duration navigation and stationary observation activities. However, if you will be doing more time consuming and physical activities that require constant head mounted hands free use, than the lighter monocular is probably the better choice.
So how many tubes is best for you? This is a tough question. It all depends on your priorities and budget. What will you be using NVGs for? If you are training recreationally on a square range, then all you need is a PVS-14. If you have the disposable income to upgrade to dual tubes, then by all means get the best you can afford. There’s a lot of aftermarket support for single- and dual-tube night vision nowadays. So it’s easy to get what you want and set it up to suit your needs. Quad-tube devices are super expensive. While the ANVIS-10/GPNVG 18 is priced similarly to the PVS-31, they’re both hard to find and require specialized knowledge
The price of night vision also varies with what types of tubes are inside. Those are at the heart of the system. A PVS-14 with a single, un-filmed, white-phosphor tube costs more than a dual-green-phosphor-tube Gen2+ model. So more tubes does not mean a better setup.
Will talk about Generations and working of image intensifiers some other day, i hope everyone will have a healthy discussion over this instead of rants flying here and there

 

[rkhanna]

No bad, it’s pistol for NSG.

Didn't understand. What you meant.

But I was talking something like this

 

[Scramjet]

Do Gen 3+ come in QUAD?

Gen 3+ comes in every configuration

 

[FalconSlayers]

Gen 3+ comes in every configuration

Monoculars, Binoculars and Bi-ocular nods all look and feel the same (not exactly the real meaning of same but similar), all you see is a single circle.

 

[Scramjet]

Monoculars, Binoculars and Bi-ocular nods all look and feel the same (not exactly the real meaning of same but similar), all you see is a single circle.

Binoculars feel better due to stereo vision, monoculars with bridge mount are headache inducing

 

[Aditya Roy]

The Indian/Pakistani SFs rifle movement is essentially Russian(old school). Some aspects may have changed though

 

[Scramjet]

 

[Aditya Roy]

The Indian/Pakistani SFs rifle movement is essentially Russian(old school). Some aspects may have changed though

The standard rifle/combat movement by IA platoon level commandos, similar to the old Russian one.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Monocular NVGs:
The definition of a monocular is a single eye unit that has no magnification. These are what we call the Swiss army knife of night vision equipment. A quality monocular is the most versatile of all the night time devices. Their compact size and lightweight make them ideal for head mounting. Many of the higher generation monoculars can be attached to rifle scopes and spotting scopes and can also be mounted directly onto a weapon. Many of these same higher generation monoculars can be mounted onto a weapon in front of a red dot sight that is night vision compatible, such as certain models of Eotech's( i bet this is the reason why army went for lots of pvs 14s). Most of these devices can also be adapted to a camera for photography with the use of a camera adapter. These versatile optics are often small and light enough to fit in a shirt pocket.
There are both pros and cons of the single eye of a monocular verses both eyes of a goggle. The pros are that you can switch back and forth between your eyes when you get tired and that your unaided eye will maintain it's night adaptation and some of your peripheral vision. The US Military feels that this gives the user better situational awareness. The cons to this single eye is that it doesn't feel as natural and will take some time to get used to. With a monocular the user needs to get used to keeping both eyes open to have the best experience.
To sum it up monoculars will give you the most versatility as well as the most accessories to choose from. They are a great choice for those who want a product that will have the ability to do a lot of multi-tasking. The best monocular right now is the PVS-14 (gen 3+)

Night vision Goggles (single tube biocular or dual tube nvg) :

The great thing about these types of devices is that they feel very natural when wearing them and there is very little learning curve to get used to them. There are two types of goggles; a two eye-piece that views through a single image tube(pvs7 type) and a two eye-piece that views through dual image tubes(dual tubes), also known as stereo-vision. Like monoculars, a goggle is a great navigation device. Dual tube goggles offer "stereo vision" meaning each eye sees it's own slightly different image rather than the same image being shared with both eyes. This stereo-vision gives the dual tube goggles even better depth perception allowing for improved navigation ability. The down side of a goggle is more weight and less versatility than a quality monocular. Goggles tend to give a bit better depth perception than a monocular and a dual tube goggle(pvs21 types) gives even better depth perception than a single tube goggle(pvs 7 types) because each eye sees a slightly different image which allows for better judgment of distances for example while wearing a PVS-7 and you’ll notice the image is identical, It’s not true stereoscopic vision. This better depth perception does help with navigation, weather you are walking through a field or navigating your boat around the rocks, it will help. The disadvantage is increased size and weight and less versatility. When wearing a goggle in a head mounted position the extra weight tends to cause the unit to ride down below your eyes when walking, and you'll tend to get more tired with the extra weight as well. Goggles do not have the option to be mounted on rifles or adapted to rifle scopes and camera adaptation is limited also.
Goggles really excel at shorter duration navigation and stationary observation activities. However, if you will be doing more time consuming and physical activities that require constant head mounted hands free use, than the lighter monocular is probably the better choice.
So how many tubes is best for you? This is a tough question. It all depends on your priorities and budget. What will you be using NVGs for? If you are training recreationally on a square range, then all you need is a PVS-14. If you have the disposable income to upgrade to dual tubes, then by all means get the best you can afford. There’s a lot of aftermarket support for single- and dual-tube night vision nowadays. So it’s easy to get what you want and set it up to suit your needs. Quad-tube devices are super expensive. While the ANVIS-10/GPNVG 18 is priced similarly to the PVS-31, they’re both hard to find and require specialized knowledge
The price of night vision also varies with what types of tubes are inside. Those are at the heart of the system. A PVS-14 with a single, un-filmed, white-phosphor tube costs more than a dual-green-phosphor-tube Gen2+ model. So more tubes does not mean a better setup.
Will talk about Generations and working of image intensifiers some other day, i hope everyone will have a healthy discussion over this instead of rants flying here and there

Gen 3+ comes in every configuration

What generation would Tonbo BNVD AND BNVD-P be? And what what’s the difference between active and passive night vision? Lastly, what gen would BELs PNVG be?

 

[Scramjet]

What generation would Tonbo BNVD AND BNVD-P be? And what what’s the difference between active and passive night vision? Lastly, what gen would BELs PNVG be?

1. Most likely Gen 3+
2. Active night vision devices have built in IR illuminators and passive ones don't have this facility
3. Most likely gen 2 or gen 2+

 

[Tactical Doge]

1. Most likely Gen 3+
2. Active night vision devices have built in IR illuminators and passive ones don't have this facility
3. Most likely gen 2 or gen 2+

Noob question:-
Is there something similar to Sam Fisher's Trifocals
I'm speaking Night Vision, Infrared, Thermal Imagers in One headmount

 

[Scramjet]

Noob question:-
Is there something similar to Sam Fisher's Trifocals
I'm speaking Night Vision, Infrared, Thermal Imagers in One headmount

ENVG, AN/PSQ 20, tonbo DUVI and countless others

 

[Tactical Doge]

ENVG, AN/PSQ 20, tonbo DUVI and countless others

Not combining
Like very miniaturised so it fits into a single headmount, all you have to do is rotate/switch the Trifocals and you get NVG or Thermals depending on your needs

 

[Scramjet]

Night Vision, Infrared, Thermal Imagers in One headmount

Thermal Imaging = IR based tech, so no point of slapping an extra Infrared sensor

 

[ManhattanProject]

Notice the NSG mag change - happens at waist/chest level.

Notice the Garud changing mags. Happens at chin level. Easier to require and reengage even if eyes are taken off the target

It was waist level because they took a knee while reloading, that is how people reload in real Life, you dont just stand there in the open reloading a gun.

 

[Scramjet]

Not combining
Like very miniaturised so it fits into a single headmount, all you have to do is rotate/switch the Trifocals and you get NVG or Thermals depending on your needs

These combined goggles do have a switch that allows one view at a time AFAIK, still, lemme confirm it first

 

[ManhattanProject]

Everything I have read written by SOF operators says otherwise.

When you shoot 300+ rounds a week day in and day out for years the gun becomes muscle memory and your get closer to the edge of perfection.

Mag chnage and fast transition holds lesser importance on a conventional battlefield because engagements are out to 150+m . In CQC it is sub 50ms and in a blink of an eye.

Irrespective the demo on the insta account by NSG was clumsy and far from the competency required of these type of units.

again you dont reload pitol during cqb, if your main weapon goes down you transition to your pistol. You are not a civilian who is alone defending his home, These guys work as a team. Sub 1 second pistol reloads wont matter in real life, what matters are the fundamentals.
You saw some super speed low drag opterator montages and think thats how things work.