Indian Special Forces

[shouryav105]

Had seen so much criticism about Tovarin this forum..Whats the real issues of it which makes it a bad choise for SF?.But read many positive reviews about that too especially by people who used both Ar and tavor platforms.Concerning general critisism avout bullpups ,recently introduced VHS-2 was a strong contender against Hk-416 for french army rifle and was failed only due to reputation of Hk over VHS and not due to tech parametrs.

Modern day tactics are hard to translate to bullpup platform, From what I have heard , bullpups specially tavor are more ergonomic and comfortable for longer use as compared to ar but there are lots of deficiencies in bullpup , most crucial one being less space for mounting peq or other ir device and light , it makes it super conjusted and reduce the already small space for griping , if someone is going to bring the "our sf use mepro mor ,they dont need peq" argument , Mepro mor is not the best sight as well , it may have a good ir pointer as someone pointed (I doubt) lets not forget that It does not have an ir illuminator , the red dot is also 2-3 moa if I remember correctly and it completly eliminates possibility of c clamping even in ar platform , otherwise you will be pointing laser at you thumb ,unless being used by mount riser , mepro is not a good package for both sight and aiming device , also switching shoulder with bullpup is pain in the ass , and lets not talk about high read and low ready with bullpup , I dont understand that why do we have to stand alone , just buy a ar , replace 10.5 inch m4 with nowenske 10.5 and replace all the tavors with colt canada , kac sr 15 , mcx , bullpup were invented for better ergo and cqb , with modern day tactics ,cqb with bullpup is dogshit bad , and please buy a seprate proper aiming device with illuminators , will be game changer , and also get mount riser for aimpoint will be game changer( we can get it made in india , wont be that expensive ) .

 

[shouryav105]

196 is good number for NSG and that too for a BR

Why 7:62 , world moved from 7.62 to 5.56 to 6.8 and we still at 7.62

 

[shouryav105]

Modern day tactics are hard to translate to bullpup platform, From what I have heard , bullpups specially tavor are more ergonomic and comfortable for longer use as compared to ar but there are lots of deficiencies in bullpup , most crucial one being less space for mounting peq or other ir device and light , it makes it super conjusted and reduce the already small space for griping , if someone is going to bring the "our sf use mepro mor ,they dont need peq" argument , Mepro mor is not the best sight as well , it may have a good ir pointer as someone pointed (I doubt) lets not forget that It does not have an ir illuminator , the red dot is also 2-3 moa if I remember correctly and it completly eliminates possibility of c clamping even in ar platform , otherwise you will be pointing laser at you thumb ,unless being used by mount riser , mepro is not a good package for both sight and aiming device , also switching shoulder with bullpup is pain in the ass , and lets not talk about high read and low ready with bullpup , I dont understand that why do we have to stand alone , just buy a ar , replace 10.5 inch m4 with nowenske 10.5 and replace all the tavors with colt canada , kac sr 15 , mcx , bullpup were invented for better ergo and cqb , with modern day tactics ,cqb with bullpup is dogshit bad , and please buy a seprate proper aiming device with illuminators , will be game changer , and also get mount riser for aimpoint will be game changer( we can get it made in india , wont be that expensive ) .

Also learning new basic tactics from partner nations will be easy and helpful , I think and hope that marcos will be first to procure modern ar platform with proper aiming devices although mount risers look atleast 2 decades away as even the seals dont use them yet .

 

[SGOperative]

Why 7:62 , world moved from 7.62 to 5.56 to 6.8 and we still at 7.62

abe 7.62 NATO round hai, standard for DMRs across the globe

 

[shouryav105]

abe 7.62 NATO round hai, standard for DMRs across the globe

where does it say dmr ?Am I saying something super dumb ?

 

[Waanar]

Why 7:62 , world moved from 7.62 to 5.56 to 6.8 and we still at 7.62

No, 7.62 still rocks within 200-300 metres and shreds cover.
World still uses 7.62. It's only US that's moved to 6.8 which is barely an improvement over 7.62 NATO. 7.62x39 also loses lesser velocity with a shorter barrel as compared to 5.45 or 5.56.

Case in point-

GIGN ordered a batch of CZ Brens a few years back.

 

[SGOperative]

where does it say dmr ?Am I saying something super dumb ?

its use case, just like the NSG was/is using the Sig716 in that Role. Uppar photo hoga isi thread me

 

[shouryav105]

its use case, just like the NSG was/is using the Sig716 in that Role. Uppar photo hoga isi thread me

Ohk sir ji , ap logo ko jyda pata hai, bas bhagwan ke daya sa nsg jo le bhdia le.(no sarcasm)

 

[Waanar]

where does it say dmr ?Am I saying something super dumb ?

Yes. I just realized its Bren 2 BR. That's a battle rifle.
It's not in 7.62X39.

 

[ALBY]

No, 7.62 still rocks within 200-300 metres and shreds cover.
World still uses 7.62. It's only US that's moved to 6.8 which is barely an improvement over 7.62 NATO. 7.62x39 also loses lesser velocity with a shorter barrel as compared to 5.45 or 5.56.

Case in point-
View attachment 162701
GIGN ordered a batch of CZ Brens a few years back.

He was not mentioning about M43 round but 7.62 Nato

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

No, 7.62 still rocks within 200-300 metres and shreds cover.
World still uses 7.62. It's only US that's moved to 6.8 which is barely an improvement over 7.62 NATO. 7.62x39 also loses lesser velocity with a shorter barrel as compared to 5.45 or 5.56.

Case in point-
View attachment 162701
GIGN ordered a batch of CZ Brens a few years back.

Is that a hybrid sight?

 

[Spadex]

Abe uth bhi jao chutiyo, dekho subha subha kiski video aai hain

 

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[Marliii]

 

[Tactical Doge]

After Dozens of pages of pajeetniggers random kanging and useless Rant:

 

[Aditya Ballal]

After Dozens of pages of pajeetniggers random kanging and useless Rant:

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Dw, we can still rant about Para SF, they’ll never disappoint us in this regard

 

[Marliii]

 

[Suryavanshi]

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Armasen patches.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Armasen patches.

Looks like you’re late to the party in realising

Indian Special Forces

In the last 15 years i have seen no one else go from 0 to pro level. Dude started by asking basic questions on pdf . and i used to reply mostly. @abingdonboy Pro level is a bit much my friend. if you have an interest and spend enough time learning/nerding out you’ll pick up things that’s all...

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