Indian Special Forces

[Aditya Ballal]

Are you sure bez I know few officer operating in the valley and they hate the plate made by ofb, that ofb plate even failed to stop the round it rated for.

That’s why I’ve specifically said “might be”, we can never be sure unless someone at the scene tells us.

 

[The Shrike]

Per capita GDP wise

Ouch!

 

[shouryav105]

No, an intermediate round to the plate doesn’t break the ribs. A 7.62x51mm round can however do that.

good info , didn't knew that.

 

[JBH22]

Imagine if PARA SF had this much sense/professionalism

It seems we fail to recognise that we have a deficit in training and innovation. No wonder we look like rag tag militias in K ops.
We are mostly reactive in terms of field improvements. Case to prove, only after Pakistan started its mischief with snipers that too after many casualty did army introduced sniper rifles. That too after much deliberation
Another thing, we buy a relatively expensive Sig rifle for its cartridge power for long distance engagement. But the acquisition of scopes is an after thought, we are still doing trial and error on that front.

 

[abingdonboy]

They probably hit his plate carrier, a bullet to the chest would have killed him. He probably only got injured in the arm.

If you are side on a round can go through your arm into your chest?

Either way the K/D ratio in JK continues to be pretty bad (but getting better?) better armour/tactics seem to be aiding. Operating at night would give them a better advantage of course

 

[India Super Power]

Just praying for both squadron leader and corporal
Already iaf has suffered a lot let them be alive
Anyone can guess what type of plate carriers he could have worn by looking some previous pics

 

[shouryav105]

If you are side on a round can go through your arm into your chest?

Either way the K/D ratio in JK continues to be pretty bad (but getting better?) better armour/tactics seem to be aiding. Operating at night would give them a better advantage of course

We do have to start operating in the night as it won't be long until American NVG's make their way to Kashmir through porkis , we have already seen nvg with these terrorists, it will be horrible if they start taking advantage of the night before we get accustomed to it.

 

[Tactical Doge]

We do have to start operating in the night as it won't be long until American NVG's make their way to Kashmir through porkis , we have already seen nvg with these terrorists, it will be horrible if they start taking advantage of the night before we get accustomed to it.

Of for phuck's sake, Stop with the DERPing meme, it was fun for a while but not anymore
Garuds have an RFI for NVGs, probably Serious about operating with even Quad tube NVGs
Marcos already operate in the valley using Dual Tubes

God knows how many ops those Dual Tube wielding Marcos have been in till now, until they release info publically, we cannot know for sure

 

[shouryav105]

Of for phuck's sake, Stop with the DERPing meme, it was fun for a while but not anymore
Garuds have an RFI for NVGs, probably Serious about operating with even Quad tube NVGs
Marcos already operate in the valley using Dual TubesView attachment 134796

God knows how many ops those Dual Tube wielding Marcos have been in till now, until they release info publically, we cannot know for sure

We do have NVG's, I never said we didn't, it seems like our sf uses NVG's as a last resort, in case they get stuck in some shit, we never use NVG's as first resort, there is difference between having them and using them primarily as an advantage, and rr also needs to be handed nvg's, sf can not be everywhere and NVG in rr are in small no, seems like you have heard of hundreds of ops taken by Marcos in nights or is it just an assumption, also I am putting my point respectful so there is no need to be a bitch about it.

 

[Mikel]

If you are side on a round can go through your arm into your chest?

Either way the K/D ratio in JK continues to be pretty bad (but getting better?) better armour/tactics seem to be aiding. Operating at night would give them a better advantage of course

I think last year saw the lowest casualty figures among the forces since the 90s.

 

[Tactical Doge]

We do have NVG's, I never said we didn't, it seems like our sf uses NVG's as a last resort, in case they get stuck in some shit, we never use NVG's as first resort, there is difference between having them and using them primarily as an advantage, and rr also needs to be handed nvg's, sf can not be everywhere and NVG in rr are in small no, seems like you have heard of hundreds of ops taken by Marcos in nights or is it just an assumption, also I am putting my point respectful so there is no need to be a bitch about it.

Quit the DERP rant
It's been going on for some time, it is a retarded argument for procuring NVGs and a meme

our sf uses NVG's as a last resort, in case they get stuck in some shit, we never use NVG's as first resort,

What is using the NVGs as a first resort? Wouldn't you want every tactical advantage over the adversary? Kek, if the Para had NVGs other than PVS-7s they'd happily train with them and use it if the Op profile demands

and rr also needs to be handed nvg's, sf can not be everywhere and NVG in rr are in small no,

RR has a different mandate, they just cordone off the house and grease the targets if the ops extend into the night use floodlights
Ideally all CI/CT ops should happen under the RR umbrella for which they aren't equipped, hence everytime shit hits south they call for SF intervention

no need to be a bitch about it.

Ahh yess, flawless logic, you have proved me wrong

 

[shouryav105]

It's been going on for some time, it is a retarded argument for procuring NVGs and a meme

Arey bhai jan , I am not talking about procurement, I am talking about using them, I have seen many interviews where the operator talks about engaging near sunrise or sunset, Instead of night ,i will send some link if i can find

What is using the NVGs as a first resort?

what I meant by that was to engage the enemy at night, instead of doing it during sunset and then using nvg if turns into prolonged combat

RR has a different mandate, they just cordone off the house and grease the targets if the ops extend into the night use floodlights
Ideally all CI/CT ops should happen under the RR umbrella for which they aren't equipped, hence everytime shit hits south they call for SF intervention

Ok sirji , you are right but nvg can still be used in rr , there is a hostage situation and our rr is waiting for surya devta to shine

Ahh yess, flawless logic, you have proved me wrong

I never said that to prove you wrong or right, I said i am being respectful, you are being bitch but you clearly decided to focus on the later and think it was part of the argument, you clearly know more , so you can share your opinion without that disrespectful pinch of sarcasm you got ,

iska comment ko stupid kehadata hun , explain krna ya smjhana ke kya jarurat hai , bejati hojygae kekekekek

 

[ManhattanProject]

The round pierced that good for nothing plate from ofb

Garuds have their own plates i think.

 

[armyofhind]

I dont get why do they delay the op till morning despite having night fighting capability (tho its not that great) even during the Pampore Standoff what i have read the commander wanted to delay the op till morning but they pushed through and started it in the night itself.

In the video the officer clearly mentions that when there is no time sensitive target, and no hostage taking/execution scenario, why would he want to put his team at unnecessary risk by asking them to make an entry into the house at night to flush the terrorist out, or have a firefight.

They have the resources and the time to wait it out till the tango makes a move, then why not wait it out.

It is their own area, there is no fear of attack from outside the cordon, they have the time to wait, then why will he put his team at risk.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Arey bhai jan , I am not talking about procurement, I am talking about using them, I have seen many interviews where the operator talks about engaging near sunrise or sunset, Instead of night ,i will send some link if i can find


what I meant by that was to engage the enemy at night, instead of doing it during sunset and then using nvg if turns into prolonged combat


Ok sirji , you are right but nvg can still be used in rr , there is a hostage situation and our rr is waiting for surya devta to shine


I never said that to prove you wrong or right, I said i am being respectful, you are being bitch but you clearly decided to focus on the later and think it was part of the argument, you clearly know more , so you can share your opinion without that disrespectful pinch of sarcasm you got ,

iska comment ko stupid kehadata hun , explain krna ya smjhana ke kya jarurat hai , bejati hojygae kekekekek

Just saying use NVGs is simple but the situation is alot more complex. The terrorists know you have them surrounded and know you are coming for them, they are holed up in a house and can take up positions where taking casualty will be imminent. NVGs might help but it wont matter if they know where you are going to come in from and have a superior position. For surprise raids NVGs make alot of sense, when the enemy doesnt know you are coming. I think either blasting or burning the house down is a way better tactic.

 

[Covfefe]

Any info on if they had taken any hostages? If not, couldn't have blown up the building than risking personnel lives by flushing them out?

 

[Tactical Doge]

Just saying use NVGs is simple but the situation is alot more complex. The terrorists know you have them surrounded and know you are coming for them, they are holed up in a house and can take up positions where taking casualty will be imminent. NVGs might help but it wont matter if they know where you are going to come in from and have a superior position. For surprise raids NVGs make alot of sense, when the enemy doesnt know you are coming. I think either blasting or burning the house down is a way better tactic.

Any info on if they had taken any hostages? If not, couldn't have blown up the building than risking personnel lives by flushing them out?

Which is usually RR Tactic
They even use a Jimmy rigged Flame thrower for the same

Spoiler: Angaar

Strategy seem to be wait for day time , bring more forces in , simply corner terrorists into a location , blow it up or burn it down , keeping our casualities to zero.
Sf doesn't even come into picture until some hostages are within the building

 

[shouryav105]

Just saying use NVGs is simple but the situation is alot more complex. The terrorists know you have them surrounded and know you are coming for them, they are holed up in a house and can take up positions where taking casualty will be imminent. NVGs might help but it wont matter if they know where you are going to come in from and have a superior position. For surprise raids NVGs make alot of sense, when the enemy doesnt know you are coming. I think either blasting or burning the house down is a way better tactic.

You are right, i was talking about having an element of surprise, I have heard of stories where they talk about going to target house and engaging during sunset while they had an element of surprise,I have heard such story from majr jacob and havildar thapa but it is possible that things have changed since they left and nvg are used if the element of surprise is present.

 

[AlphaRaiderZ]

Happy to see that Garuds finally getting exposure to frontline conflicts and operation, although a bit less satisfied to see them used as a conventional elite troop support unit or super infantry purposes . Again . Although Garuds do have a history of being severly injured in their missions . But I guess experience will bring them into taking emergency decisions more efficiently in future . But if Garuds are pulled into the same level as that of , Para SF in terms of roles . I think Marcos is carrying out the missions which mandates as only strategic not tactical level .

 

[Tactical Doge]

Happy to see that Garuds finally getting exposure to frontline conflicts and operation, although a bit less satisfied to see them used as a conventional elite troop support unit or super infantry purposes . Again . Although Garuds do have a history of being severly injured in their missions . But I guess experience will bring them into taking emergency decisions more efficiently in future . But if Garuds are pulled into the same level as that of , Para SF in terms of roles . I think Marcos is carrying out the missions which mandates as only strategic not tactical level .

Kek Marcos are also attached with RR