Indian Special Forces

[SGOperative]

7.62*39mm is not suitable for the Infantry. It is fine in the CI role in J&K and NE where it serves as an effective carbine. However, vis-a vis Pakis and Chinks we are looking for for longer engagement ranges, which Sig-716 can provide.
For tank crews, AAD crews, artillery guys etc., AK-203 may be an acceptable weapon.

Thats for the frontline units tho, The other infantry guys who wont be exchanging first bullets or from a long distance.

 

[Fire and groove]

why do you guys hate 7.62?

Don't hate it, it simply can't go toe to toe with 5.56 which is lighter, has better ballistics within the needed range, and the modern variants are barrier blind and don't suffer from the terminal ballistic inconsistencies of the M855 of yore. Conversly 7.62 x 39mm variants are old, technologically backwards and rely on bleeding through punched holes compared to the tissue damage of modern 5.56 variants which is actually a superior factor in lethality.

 

[Fire and groove]

Thats for the frontline units tho, The other infantry guys who wont be exchanging first bullets or from a long distance.

Gunfights aren't going to max out at 300 meters necessarily with regards to LOC and especially LAC. Really though, the optics and platform will decide how effective you are at range when comparing 5.56 x 45mm with 7.62 x 39mm. As far as MOA is concerned, that has more to do with the quality of ammunition than the general caliber, with match grade easily performing to high standards.

 

[SGOperative]

Gunfights aren't going to max out at 300 meters necessarily with regards to LOC and especially LAC. Really though, the optics and platform will decide how effective you are at range when comparing 5.56 x 45mm with 7.62 x 39mm. As far as MOA is concerned, that has more to do with the quality of ammunition than the general caliber, with match grade easily performing to high standards.

Isnt that the point of getting Battle Rifles for Guys at LOC and now LAC. But its hard to imagine a regular infantry guy would be taking long shots beyond the effective range of 300mtrs for whom we are getting the AK203.

 

[fire starter]

 

[SGOperative]

PLA SOF is a real thing it can hurt you.

PLA SOF:-
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Its kind of old late 2000s or early 2010s

 

[Marliii]

PLA SOF is a real thing it can hurt you.

PLA SOF:-
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Yup they can hurt you .

 

[SGOperative]

Yup they can hurt you .

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Not much considering how much they change their commander in a short period of time, remember Kargil and how changing commanders costed us so many lives.

 

[shouryav105]

Yup they can hurt you .

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holly shit, I thought that was the latest pic but fuck me.

 

[Marliii]

Not much considering how much they change their commander in a short period of time, remember Kargil and how changing commanders costed us so many lives.

Take them as an example they were equiped like shit in the 2010s now they are taking their SOF capablities seriously

 

[shouryav105]

Its kind of old late 2000s or early 2010s

didn't knew that.

 

[SGOperative]

Take them as an example they were equiped like shit in the 2010s now they are taking their SOF capablities seriously

Thing with china is hard to get what is propaganda and what is genuine change but lets see.

 

[fire starter]

Thing with china is hard to get what is propaganda and what is genuine change but lets see.

I heard that they train their Special Forces just for winning medals lol.

 

[fire starter]

The Great.

 

[shouryav105]

I heard that they train their Special Forces just for winning medals lol.

They certainly lack combat experience which is kind of most important, all I have heard is about winning competitions but no combat exp.

 

[fire starter]

They certainly lack combat experience which is kind of most important, all I have heard is about winning competitions but no combat exp.

Our boys will eat them in lunch by Looking at their experience.

 

[Fire and groove]

Isnt that the point of getting Battle Rifles for Guys at LOC and now LAC. But its hard to imagine a regular infantry guy would be taking long shots beyond the effective range of 300mtrs for whom we are getting the AK203.

Reliability aside, versatility is the cornerstone of any infantry's standard platform. The LAC is different in that it places heavy emphasis on ranged engagements due to it's exclusively mountainous terrain, meanwhile the LOC has open peaks and ridges, forests, lakes etc that require versatility from your small arms capability. Logistically it's an unnecessary pain to outfit and distribute your units with different platforms and ammunition within the same geographic location, never mind the training. Therefore, the guideline has evolved around the world to adapt the same platform to perform within the deployed AO with some exceptions (again, like the LAC). Example, US troops posted in the middle of nowhere in Afghanistan would most likely use the M16A4 with a magnified optic due to the rocky and open ground for kilometers, while those expected to deploy in more urban terrain or deployed in a FOB outside but still near a city would be using the M4A1 and adapting it accordingly with an ACOG/LPVO and RMR to bring that long-short effectiveness. SIG-716 aside, It makes little sense to deviate into two different platforms on the basis of a standard rifle and carbine. The training and logistics would be and is torturous, especially considering troops don't spend a lot of time down range here. 5.56 x 45mm platforms, especially the AR-15 styled ones are incredibly versatile and user friendly. It's not that there isn't a good 7.62 x 39 platform out there, a modrrnized variant of the VZ.58 would blow the AK out of the water, but that's a pipe dream.

 

[Fire and groove]

Not much considering how much they change their commander in a short period of time, remember Kargil and how changing commanders costed us so many lives.

Changing commanders SAVED lives. The ones posted at the time didn't specialize in mountain warfare and ended up drawing poorly coordinated offensives that caused heavy, unnecessary casualties for us, it wasn't until those officers were rotated out for the specialists that we started making workable gains.

 

[SGOperative]

Changing commanders SAVED lives. The ones posted at the time didn't specialize in mountain warfare and ended up drawing poorly coordinated offensives that caused heavy, unnecessary casualties for us, it wasn't until those officers were rotated out for the specialists that we started making workable gains.

Should have specified this was talking about the Swap of Norther and Southern Commanders which led to what you mentioned above. Gen VP Malik changed them on a very short notice and not long before the War he was heavily scrutinized for this but the Govt dint feel the same.

 

[SGOperative]

Reliability aside, versatility is the cornerstone of any infantry's standard platform. The LAC is different in that it places heavy emphasis on ranged engagements due to it's exclusively mountainous terrain, meanwhile the LOC has open peaks and ridges, forests, lakes etc that require versatility from your small arms capability. Logistically it's an unnecessary pain to outfit and distribute your units with different platforms and ammunition within the same geographic location, never mind the training. Therefore, the guideline has evolved around the world to adapt the same platform to perform within the deployed AO with some exceptions (again, like the LAC). Example, US troops posted in the middle of nowhere in Afghanistan would most likely use the M16A4 with a magnified optic due to the rocky and open ground for kilometers, while those expected to deploy in more urban terrain or deployed in a FOB outside but still near a city would be using the M4A1 and adapting it accordingly with an ACOG/LPVO and RMR to bring that long-short effectiveness. SIG-716 aside, It makes little sense to deviate into two different platforms on the basis of a standard rifle and carbine. The training and logistics would be and is torturous, especially considering troops don't spend a lot of time down range here. 5.56 x 45mm platforms, especially the AR-15 styled ones are incredibly versatile and user friendly. It's not that there isn't a good 7.62 x 39 platform out there, a modrrnized variant of the VZ.58 would blow the AK out of the water, but that's a pipe dream.

Saw a post of modernized Vz with the Slovaks and i kind of agree with the weapon platform would have been better for us to go with a AR series gun if we had selected the Sig Initially but again like all of our procurements politics comes in and the distribution of ammo we have already had mixed up it long before so at this moment you would except everyone to be accustomed to it but the Hate for .39 is unreal.