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Like it or not the SSG has conducted cross border raids and killed our regulars on several occasions whether it be as BAT or in general. Their operational tempo is far higher than ours due to the flexibility they recieve in their operational mandate.
And how many of them have died while attempting to cross the border itself?
 

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Very few success b/w high attempts.
Not exactly, we too have a habit of downplaying or leaving reasons for casualties vague, the only line we haven't crossed is hiding casualties like Pakistan. If you're willing, you can find a lot of footage of Indian troops getting decimated in near ambushes or sniped across the border. They're not exactly pioneering special operations but they aren't toothless like people make them out to be.
 

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Not exactly, we too have a habit of downplaying or leaving reasons for casualties vague, the only line we haven't crossed is hiding casualties like Pakistan. If you're willing, you can find a lot of footage of Indian troops getting decimated in near ambushes or sniped across the border. They're not exactly pioneering special operations but they aren't toothless like people make them out to be.
No one ever said they are toothless but they also get smoked by Regular Infantry. The ambushes are a bit rarer and before Cease fire the Sniper was common much because of we lacking the sniper range to counter.
 

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Not exactly, we too have a habit of downplaying or leaving reasons for casualties vague, the only line we haven't crossed is hiding casualties like Pakistan. If you're willing, you can find a lot of footage of Indian troops getting decimated in near ambushes or sniped across the border. They're not exactly pioneering special operations but they aren't toothless like people make them out to be.
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Which type of institution you are referring to.
Geo-political education, warfare research institutions etc. If you look it up there's several critical strategic institutions dead in the water. Ever wonder why few more than a comfortable number of generals have absolutely brain dead takes on geo-poltics? Or why professionalism and knowledge is kinda lacking when it comes to subject matter expertise like when the top brass officers unanimously began to blame the 5.56 caliber without so much as a study? Or ehy logistics, despite being the most crucial aspect to our defense (especially north-east) has been slept on sll this time?
 

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Geo-political education, warfare research institutions etc. If you look it up there's several critical strategic institutions dead in the water. Ever wonder why few more than a comfortable number of generals have absolutely brain dead takes on geo-poltics? Or why professionalism and knowledge is kinda lacking when it comes to subject matter expertise like when the top brass officers unanimously began to blame the 5.56 caliber without so much as a study? Or ehy logistics, despite being the most crucial aspect to our defense (especially north-east) has been slept on sll this time?
I dont think that's because of Education a officer gets. We over estimates what a General can do while we forget most of our procurement is done for political reason. Thats how you endup with both Mig29s and Mirages. And Top Brass how much one likes to blame them are not always wrong. Everyone judges army desicion based on theoretical knowledge over practical. TBH we can just speculate. If you are angry why we switched to 7.62 thats because we were not getting the benefits of 5.56 but were suffering from its downsides.
Also you cant teach someone Geo politics and its has hundreds of takes and two people can and most probably have different takes.
 

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No one ever said they are toothless but they also get smoked by Regular Infantry. The ambushes are a bit rarer and before Cease fire the Sniper was common much because of we lacking the sniper range to counter.
Again, if we're going down that road special operation troops the world over get clapped now and then by insurgents no less. Tom Satterly put it best and i'm paraphrasing: "you got some extremely well trained and experienced operators alongside you in the unit only to watch them get shot by a 16 year old who picked up an AK just the other day, and you realize 'well there's some luck involved in this shit that you can do nothing about..."
 

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Again, if we're going down that road special operation troops the world over get clapped now and then by insurgents no less. Tom Satterly put it best and i'm paraphrasing: "you got some extremely well trained and experienced operators alongside you in the unit only to watch them get shot by a 16 year old who picked up an AK just the other day, and you realize 'well there's some luck involved in this shit that you can do nothing about..."
I wonder why pak infantry dont do that with us. FYI i never questioned the individual. Musa company has one job to do i.e Infiltrate.
 

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I wonder why pak infantry dont do that with us. FYI i never questioned the individual. Musa company has one job to do i.e Infiltrate.
Actually Musa company's primary job is to assist the insurgency with intel, logistics etc and harrass the border troops. Mpst infiltration comes from the insurgents.
 

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No one cares if its unprofessional. Our Raids are always revenge. BAT success ratio is not something they should be proud of given how under equipped our soldiers were before.
Idk man, nobody's been running papers/stats and keeping track of the number of attacks by BAT.
 

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