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the account I read from Aroor‘s book says differently. Door was barricaded and he had to open it himself which left his upper body exposed and a burst of fire came directly at him. One bullet in the shoulder and the other one was fatal in the heart.

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101 in door breaching is that you never stay in front of it as tangos can fire through door.in this situation the capt had to improvise when the door didn't open and he had no other option.breaching explosively could have opened the door and possibly stunned the tangos.and made job somewhat easier but in the option of not having explosives or door breaching equipment he had to take the risky step.
 

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the account I read from Aroor‘s book says differently. Door was barricaded and he had to open it himself which left his upper body exposed and a burst of fire came directly at him. One bullet in the shoulder and the other one was fatal in the heart.

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One episode doesn't tell the whole story. For Capt Pawans incident note that he was on leave on his way to the station if I remember correctly. He rushed to provide aid at the encounter site.

On Breaching - ofcourse SF has explosive breaches but our methods are still behind the new age stuff. And we also lack flexibility in breaching methods. No cutting torches. Saws, etc etc.

More importantly we lack flashbangs and other dynamic entry aids post breaching.
 

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101 in door breaching is that you never stay in front of it as tangos can fire through door.in this situation the capt had to improvise when the door didn't open and he had no other option.breaching explosively could have opened the door and possibly stunned the tangos.but in the option if not having explosives or door breaching equipment he had to take risky step.
that’s exactly my point. Paras are not equipped for urban warfare. Basically thrust into any unfavorable situation with the hope that they get job done and make it out alive.
 

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One episode doesn't tell the whole story. For Capt Pawans incident note that he was on leave on his way to the station if I remember correctly. He rushed to provide aid at the encounter site.

On Breaching - ofcourse SF has explosive breaches but our methods are still behind the new age stuff. And we also lack flexibility in breaching methods. No cutting torches. Saws, etc etc.

More importantly we lack flashbangs and other dynamic entry aids post breaching.
He was in Shopian for some other operation but he was called to Pampore by his Company commander abruptly.
No tactical shields either!
 

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And let’s not forget Captain Pawan belonged to 10 Para SF, which can easily be designated as the most poorly equipped SF battalion.
 

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Paras are not equipped for urban warfare. No tactical shield, no explosives for breaching…. I mean let’s not reduce them to the level where they became jack of all master of none.
Idk man, I'm just saying what happened leading to the events that caused such tragedy.

Also, if Paras are truly not equipped for urban warfare (I disagree. Their methods are outdated but they aren't terribly underequipped.), it's a shame.

An Army SOF unit should ALWAYS be ready for urban warfare.
Who else will deploy if/when we take over urban areas of Pakistan? NSG?

MOUT is very different from NSG's quick hits mentality and training.
 

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And let’s not forget Captain Pawan belonged to 10 Para SF, which can easily be designated as the most poorly equipped SF battalion.
Huh? Never heard that? I have family members who have served in the 10th. Their desert capability is unparalleled in India. It's the second raised SF unit in India. Their legacy is as old as SF in India. I find it hard to believe that they are some how deficient in kit (compared to others)
 

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He was in Shopian for some other operation but he was called to Pampore by his Company commander abruptly.
No tactical shields either!
Tactical Shields were only adopted by Para SF and RR in significant numbers only post 2017-18. EDI Pampore attack was prior to this in 2016. They’ve learnt from this attack and others like and is now in widespread use.
 

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I read about Captain Pawan Kumar’s last operation. This could have been prevented with a tactical shield. Why was NSG not used for EDI Pampers? Extremely pissed. We lost a fine young officer and still don’t learn any lessons. These guys are just being used as cannon fodder by Army.
Yes we lost 3 SF operators and top brass wanted to complete operation in minimum time that's why we lost operator . What if they stretch operation for week then militants ran out of rations and ammunition
 

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And let’s not forget Captain Pawan belonged to 10 Para SF, which can easily be designated as the most poorly equipped SF battalion.
BS, 10 is the best desert unit in India, they are one of the original cdo bns alongside 9 and 1.
Hence equipped with all they've got.
My friend @Inderjeet Singh also posted a few photos of 10 para having uniform desert MARPAT pattern QZ shirts, Plate carriers, ballistic eye pro, military grade boots etc.
 

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Yes we lost 3 SF operators and top brass wanted to complete operation in minimum time that's why we lost operator . What if they stretch operation for week then militants ran out of rations and ammunition
When shit gets tough, they always call in para SF thinking they'll do the job, even if its a mundane operation.....
 

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I beleive that the M4s are a package deal with the nasams, under "associated equipment
Yes - they are for the ground security element that protects these SAM sites.

US deals are always packaged like this - every single nut & bolt you require is supplied, only thing the customer needs to bring are the people to man them.
 

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BS, 10 is the best desert unit in India, they are one of the original cdo bns alongside 9 and 1.
Hence equipped with all they've got.
My friend @Inderjeet Singh also posted a few photos of 10 para having uniform desert MARPAT pattern QZ shirts, Plate carriers, ballistic eye pro, military grade boots etc.
If you don’t believe me, you can ask coldhearted aviator when he comes back. I’ll have to search for pics of their personnel from an encounter from 2 years ago.
 

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