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Amca + cats IS NOT 6th Gen..At best amca wid cats will be 5.5 gen whenever it comes into production in next decade... Americans will decide what is 6th gen.. Murica is ONLY country which developed and is flying True 5th gen fighter from last 15 years .. Generational Fighter is American concept So muricans will define what is 6th gen...Let Indian air force retire its vintage mig21s first
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Air force flying vintage 60s mig 21, air force which complaints about air superiority of enemy bvr's after 27feb, air force which is having problems with keeping enough fighting squadrons...Yup air force is planning future warfare but has issues flying in present day warfare...air force is actually the weakest link in all three services
The issues of the present day are not AF centric. They are budget centric. If you look at the tip of the spear. MKI, M2KUPG, Mig29UPG, Rafale, LCA, Darin I/III, MiG-21upg/Bisons not too shabby just low in number.

Our strategic lift is probably the best in Asia.

SAM/ELINT/AWACS/EW also pretty good

CAT + AI driven networked warfare will add a new dimension which will make up for the lower numbers.
 

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Well the while point of a SOF capability is to operate in denied Areas. This includes solutions/technology for infil and exfil. The SOKOs and Israelis routinely do raids / recce missions deep inside NoKo and Iran.

Simple fact is that we have gotten happy winning medals and promotions doing COIN. We were NoT ready during Kargil and we were ready last year against rh chinese. Sheer grit of the Jawan gets the job done.

The only people who are planning to win in a future environment seems to be the AF and to an extent the Navy - and they don't really do COIN do they
Israeli SF did this? Can you provide name of operation or source? I want to learn more.
 

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We had CIT-X and CIT-J in the old times
If he had an espionage network in place, you don't need Fancy stealth helos and ew stuff
All they need to do is poison his water supply or something, or even better plant an IED under some manhole and blow his a$$
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I was talking about people complaining about not using Indian special forces for killing Hafiz saeed.

I agree with you on espionage acts.
 

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Air force flying vintage 60s mig 21, air force which complaints about air superiority of enemy bvr's after 27feb, air force which is having problems with keeping enough fighting squadrons...Yup air force is planning future warfare but has issues flying in present day warfare...air force is actually the weakest link in all three services
It IS planning for future warfare.

We have Netra II, LCA Tejas, Tejas mk1A, and mk II, Super Sukhoi upgrade, LCH, ALH, logistics plane purchases, ALL of that being done in this decade.

I haven't even included in Airforce commitment towards indigenous missiles.

All of this being done so as to ensure that we will be ready in the skies by the next decade.

Airforce is already addressing the problems of migs and they will be retired by 2024 or 2025

What more do you want?
 

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The issues of the present day are not AF centric. They are budget centric. If you look at the tip of the spear. MKI, M2KUPG, Mig29UPG, Rafale, LCA, Darin I/III, MiG-21upg/Bisons not too shabby just low in number.

Our strategic lift is probably the best in Asia.

SAM/ELINT/AWACS/EW also pretty good

CAT + AI driven networked warfare will add a new dimension which will make up for the lower numbers.
Nah sirji i hv to disagree...maybe we have best strategic lift capabilities But dat doesn't compensate for low numbers of fighting squadrons..And No we don't have enough awacs as we found it out hard ways in 27th Fiasco..EW capabilities maybe we r good at it Looking at balakot operation.. about bisons they shouldn't be flying it in d first place..mki,jags,rafale all good But still we need numbers..And tejas mk2 can be dat wonderkid for IAF if them gernails make right decisions mk2 can be mass produced to built up squadrons wid private manufacturers..And budget will be always proportional to economy..as economy grows capital expenditure will increase..
 
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Nah sirji i hv to disagree...maybe we have best strategic lift capabilities But dat doesn't compensate for low numbers of fighting squadrons..And No we don't have enough awacs as we found it out hard ways in 27th Fiasco..EW capabilities maybe we r good at it Looking at balakot operation.. about bisons they shouldn't be flying it in d first place..mki,jags,rafale all good But still we need numbers..And tejas mk2 can be dat wonderkid for IAF if them gernails make right decisions mk2 can be mass produced to built up squadrons..And budget will be always proportional to economy..as economy grows capital expenditure will increase..
You are missing my point. AF current state of affairs has less to do with the AF and more to do with everything else. The AF however given its resource crutch is still looking to punch above its weight. It's trainig tactics continue to evolve. It continues to fill gaps in novel ways.

The 27th was not a fiasco. Maybe there is a lot you need to learn and read up on DAC.


The Pakistanis despite overwhelming numerical advantage could not breach the line. The chinese won't be able to do so easily either. The CDS is already talking about rocket forces.

Lastly we are 2000 dollar per capita GDP economy. Mig21s are a fact of life. And a MiG-21 shot down a block40+ f-16
 

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Yup and dats why i asked How will air force leapfrog to 6th gen as u said..what is 6th gen..it doesn't exist yet and maybe won't be coming out until next decade..So how do u leapfrog something dat doesn't exist..
6th gen will most likely be stealth /LO UCAV capable of doing a very high degree of autonomous mission profiles.

With CAT interloped with a mothership + swarm drone attack profile we will develop high data networked warfare and deep AI capability. With the AMCA we will work out tech for medium size VLO aircraft / engine / radar / avionics .

We are putting the building blocks for putting a 6th gen plane in place. To fuck it up or not is on us.

All of this btw has been born out of the LCA program in the 80s - imagine what this tech will give birth to 20+ years from now
 

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Hafiz Saeed is enjoying his life in Pakistan but Osama Bin Laden is dead. Tells you something about our capabilities.
the comparison is not a good one. Pakistan was never going to go to war with US over abbotobad. Imagine the cost if india does something so public on paki soil

There’s a school of thought that India only acts when the costs (economic of political) of not doing so outweigh those of acting.

Given the relative stability india enjoys internally there perhaps isn’t the need to go ‘kinetic’. Rather it is more beneficial long term to infiltrate and co-opt

Look up Adrian levy’s video on the R&AW thread on DFI, indian IC are no fools.
 

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LoL, You know the day he gets droppt by India our diplomatic pressure and burden on Pakistan will be lessened, the reason he’s still alive is because his existence allows us to exert pressure on porkiland, otherwise R&AW showed him in Johar Town blast that we can neutralise him at will anytime anywhere.
I can see some truth to this.

HS, MA, DI etc being alive and well in Pakistan builds a much stronger case against Pak vis a vis terror support. Pakistan is basically a pariah state at this point and India is the poor inept victim of their aggression, or so india would have you believe.

Bruce Ridel (former CIA)- ‘the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist and the greatest trick India ever pulled was convincing the world it was benign’
 

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I can see some truth to this.

HS, MA, DI etc being alive and well in Pakistan builds a much stronger case against Pak vis a vis terror support. Pakistan is basically a pariah state at this point and India is the poor inept victim of their aggression, or so india would have you believe.

Bruce Ridel (former CIA)- ‘the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist and the greatest trick India ever pulled was convincing the world it was benign’
The only other thing to add is that Pakistan is a near Peer power to us , is nuclear and shares a border with us. If you look at our Orbat vis-a-vis Pakistan you will see that we don't not hold any numerical superiority over them.
 

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