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Interesting how the Russians never conduct such complex exercises with their ‘high speed’ units with India. Has india ever conducted anything beyond some basic room clearing/combat manoeuvres with them?

And yet for some reason india sends its SFs to take part in exercises with their conventional units consistently



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45th Spetsnaz brigade is pure VDV and not SF. It would have mattered if they had send SSO, SOBR or Gru Spetsnaz
 

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So u mean to say garuds have requirement of quads
Not likely.


Why would you want to carry additional weight (yes, weight increases with increase in the numbers) over your head while executing an op, weight that is invariably skewed & tends to strain neck muscles over period of time?

While Bino may give a better "feel" for "depth", and be more apt for driving than a mono, quads will indicate requirement for use where more finer appreciation is needed & where weight considerations affecting operator performance are minimized..... pilots?
 

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Not likely.


Why would you want to carry additional weight (yes, weight increases with increase in the numbers) over your head while executing an op, weight that is invariably skewed & tends to strain neck muscles over period of time?

While Bino may give a better "feel" for "depth", and be more apt for driving than a mono, quads will indicate requirement for use where more finer appreciation is needed & where weight considerations affecting operator performance are minimized..... pilots?
The RFI says that the NVDs are to be attached to Bullet proof helmets, don’t think they’re for pilots
 

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Not likely.


Why would you want to carry additional weight (yes, weight increases with increase in the numbers) over your head while executing an op, weight that is invariably skewed & tends to strain neck muscles over period of time?

While Bino may give a better "feel" for "depth", and be more apt for driving than a mono, quads will indicate requirement for use where more finer appreciation is needed & where weight considerations affecting operator performance are minimized..... pilots?
Hellfire Ji
Quads are an absolute asset to have....
Doesn't the Americans almost exclusively use them for DA raids on HVTs like the OBL raid?
Where they don't have to run/trek/travel for miles on end and all the "action" was limted to a single compound
Again I'm no expert on NODs, don't worship Americans either, but they certainly has more actual spec ops experience
 

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Gunship pilots??

That is why "not likely". Not a "no".
Do gun ship pilots use bulletproof helmets? Don’t think they’d start upgrading gear for the Hind family of helos. C130J and MH 60Rs came with AN AVS 9, so I’m assuming even the Apache came with them as even the yanks use the same on the Apache. Unless they’re planning on buying these for LCH or Rudra(AFAIK they use Elbit NVGs on these but not sure).
 

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Quads are an absolute asset to have....
Doesn't the Americans almost exclusively use them for DA raids on HVTs like the OBL raid?
Where they don't have to run/trek/travel for miles on end and all the "action" was limted to a single compound
Again I'm no expert on NODs, don't worship Americans either, but they certainly has more actual spec ops experience
Can you post videos/photos of Quads in use during the said raid?

And what makes you think (with certainty) US has more special ops experience? Any study of data?
 

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Do gun ship pilots use bulletproof helmets? Don’t think they’d start upgrading gear for the Hind family of helos. C130J and MH 60Rs came with AN AVS 9, so I’m assuming even the Apache came with them as even the yanks use the same on the Apache. Unless they’re planning on buying these for LCH or Rudra(AFAIK they use Elbit NVGs on these but not sure).
Will try to check for who these are heading...
 

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Can you post videos/photos of Quads in use during the said raid?

And what makes you think (with certainty) US has more special ops experience? Any study of data?
I don't have any material whatsoever of that raid other than word of mouth, by retired seal (probably for lobbying), seals are not the only ones using them, even some German police unit has GPNVGs

I set the helmet on my head and pulled down my night vision goggles, or NVGs. Unlike some of the conventional units, we had NVGs with four tubes instead of the usual two. This allowed us a field of view of 120 degrees instead of just 40 degrees. The standard goggles were like looking through toilet paper tubes,” Matt Bissonette wrote in “No Easy Day,” his firsthand account of the mission to kill the terrorist mastermind

 

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Can you post videos/photos of Quads in use during the said raid?

And what makes you think (with certainty) US has more special ops experience? Any study of data?
I don't have any material whatsoever of that raid other than word of mouth, by retired seal (probably for lobbying), seals are not the only ones using them, even some German police unit has GPNVGs

I set the helmet on my head and pulled down my night vision goggles, or NVGs. Unlike some of the conventional units, we had NVGs with four tubes instead of the usual two. This allowed us a field of view of 120 degrees instead of just 40 degrees. The standard goggles were like looking through toilet paper tubes,” Matt Bissonette wrote in “No Easy Day,” his firsthand account of the mission to kill the terrorist mastermind


List of known users of GPNVG 18 compiled by @Gessler
 

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And what makes you think (with certainty) US has more special ops experience? Any study of data?
Isn't that, like, given ...... :notsure:

Every other US Veteran from SF Community in YouTube has been in a DA raid (both day/night), which happens regularly
Unlike Indian SF who is pretty much only doing "encounters" in Low intensity conflict for the most part, again, I'm not asserting anything, I know that certain units do some bug in - bug out stuff, but nowhere near the magnitude, the OBL raid itself is a prime example of Umriki SF capability, we don't have the technological prowess, neither the will
Atleast that is my understanding, you can correct me if necessary
 

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Isn't that, like, given ...... :notsure:

Every other US Veteran from SF Community in YouTube has been in a DA raid (both day/night), which happens regularly
Unlike Indian SF who is pretty much only doing "encounters" in Low intensity conflict for the most part, again, I'm not asserting anything, I know that certain units do some bug in - bug out stuff, but nowhere near the magnitude, the OBL raid itself is a prime example of Umriki SF capability, we don't have the technological prowess, neither the will
Atleast that is my understanding, you can correct me if necessary
Hafiz Saeed is enjoying his life in Pakistan but Osama Bin Laden is dead. Tells you something about our capabilities.
 

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Hafiz Saeed is enjoying his life in Pakistan but Osama Bin Laden is dead. Tells you something about our capabilities.
LoL, You know the day he gets droppt by India our diplomatic pressure and burden on Pakistan will be lessened, the reason he’s still alive is because his existence allows us to exert pressure on porkiland, otherwise R&AW showed him in Johar Town blast that we can neutralise him at will anytime anywhere.
 

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