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That’s what they have been relegated to to a large degree by the IAF’s leadership yes but it isn’t in their primary mandate nor is it how they are organised.

That said instead of building on their mandate they have stagnated and regressed into little more than a specialist QRT.
On point. They are good at getting in the back of a pick up truck with shemags around all of their necks with Tavors in hand.
 

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Ever heard of Defense security corps and Late Hav. Chand from pathankot Op. That should do it in my opinion. Convert Garuds into a Combat Para rescue force for CSAR along with base protection to keep them busy during peace time.
Considering the fact that NSG had to be called in during pathankot are Guards even capable of proper CSAR missions anymore or have they been pretty much regulated to secondary duties only?
 

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Considering the fact that NSG had to be called in during pathankot are Guards even capable of proper CSAR missions anymore?
That's again a cluster fuck op. They pulled the NSG because the terrorists are holed up in a building thinking about an RI. But how'd someone expect NSG to pull an RI with very less info and very little amount of time.

If you ever look at NSG training exercises at malls, IT hubs, Railway stations it isn't just about coming in and going out. They map it. They try to know all the corners of that place because such places are likely targets. Getting a squad of NSG to clear a mess hall in a large air base is a dum wit dialing his Col. Friend posted in NSG. Shit op.
 

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Considering the fact that NSG had to be called in during pathankot are Guards even capable of proper CSAR missions anymore or have they been pretty much regulated to secondary duties only?
Even if they were super ninjas with Tier 1 Delta/CAG equipment they were never going to win that day with only 20 or so of them on scene. By contrast the entire 200+ man CTTF of NSG was called in.
 

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That's again a cluster fuck op. They pulled the NSG because the terrorists are holed up in a building thinking about an RI. But how'd someone expect NSG to pull an RI with very less info and very little amount of time.
I am guessing that NSG was briefed on their way with schematics of the base and it's structures.

After all their primary role is to come with such plans in a short period and respond to contingencies quickly.
 

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Even if they were super ninjas with Tier 1 Delta/CAG equipment they were never going to win that day with only 20 or so of them on scene. By contrast the entire 200+ man CTTF of NSG was called in.
If say their was a tier one SF unit from US or Russia on the scene with similar numbers do you think the outcome would have been different? If yes why so?
 

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On the day of pathankot replace guards with the SF of US that's what i meant.
They'd probably kill them a bunch of them in the first encounter, then mop up what's left after the terrorists break contact and hole up somewhere else.
 

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On the day of pathankot replace guards with the SF of US that's what i meant.
It’s an impossible question to say definitively but I think we all know the answer.

Garuds were ambushed and that’s where the majority of the damage on their unit came from (deaths and wounded). I have absolutely no idea how they reacted to that ambush but I would almost certainly bet a US tier 1 unit manned by combat hardened veterans (pretty much anyone on a tier 1 unit is) with access to all of the top equipment and crucially all of the best training facilities In the world are likely to have responded better* to an ambush than the average Indian SF unit- not exactly shocking is it?

Even a ‘vanilla’ SOF unit from the US/Russia would have far better react to contact and fire/manoeuvre drills than an Indian SF.

that said 20 or so US/Russian SF operators were not going to change the outcome of Pathankot overall

*the same initial casualties may have been sustained but the rate of fire returned to the enemy and perhaps even breaking of contact would arguably have been superior.
 

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They'd probably kill them a bunch of them in the first encounter, then mop up what's left after the terrorists break contact and hole up somewhere else.
The garuds were ambushed- ambushes will kill anyone.

but I agree that they’d do a better job of breaking contact, doubtful to me that the same number of foreign SF operators would’ve been able to take part in the subsequent mop op ops at Pathankot AFB.
 

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The garuds were ambushed- ambushes will kill anyone.

but I agree that they’d do a better job of breaking contact, doubtful to me that the same number of foreign SF operators would’ve been able to take part in the subsequent mop op ops at Pathankot AFB.
Yeah I suppose the airbase was a bit too large for just those many operators to cover.
 

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I respectfully disagree. Violence of a surprise militant attack on a strategic location and its tactical interdiction by responders is better prevented by ISR capability than in any skill set US SOF would inherently possesss just by their shooting skills of being top notch door kickers. What I’ve read of that op suggests a vastly difficult picture of on the ground picture pervaded by the lack of actionable intelligence and paucity of tactical reconnaissance. That mission would be hard to conduct in the best of circumstances. My experiences in afghan with base security at suggest the same. Please correct me I’m uninformed in this particular scenario.

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It’s an impossible question to say definitively but I think we all know the answer.

Garuds were ambushed and that’s where the majority of the damage on their unit came from (deaths and wounded). I have absolutely no idea how they reacted to that ambush but I would almost certainly bet a US tier 1 unit manned by combat hardened veterans (pretty much anyone on a tier 1 unit is) with access to all of the top equipment and crucially all of the best training facilities In the world are likely to have responded better* to an ambush than the average Indian SF unit- not exactly shocking is it?

Even a ‘vanilla’ SOF unit from the US/Russia would have far better react to contact and fire/manoeuvre drills than an Indian SF.

that said 20 or so US/Russian SF operators were not going to change the outcome of Pathankot overall

*the same initial casualties may have been sustained but the rate of fire returned to the enemy and perhaps even breaking of contact would arguably have been superior.
 
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If say their was a tier one SF unit from US or Russia on the scene with similar numbers do you think the outcome would have been different? If yes why so?
Put me in to the same situation with my boys and small little tech upgrades and we would do it for you. And we were not Tier 1! And I can't write the reasons because typing is a pain in the .... I shall speak about it some day in an appropriate forum without putting the blame on anyone. Indians are one of the worst parties in accepting the mistakes and learning from there. Cheers
 

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