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How many troops PLA will have to commit to undertake such an adventure?
That too achieving the said objective with minimal casualty at their end. China will strike once Pakistan does the heavy lifting and they will give us strike in cyber space. Then they will send their troops when victory is almost certain to their general.
At least that's how I visualise the PLA if it strike, because if they get a bloody nose, they can bid goodbye to their hegemony dreams.
Or they can bomb those positions out of existence with precision munitions, artillery, and those bombers they have.
 

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German technology was a joke
In a short war, we'll immediately lose DBO due to lackluster infrastructure, which'll allow China to put Siachen under pressure, and that's without the Pakistanis. Don't even get me started on the chicken's neck
Hey, you seem to be very knowledgeable about Chinese superiority over us (or our lack thereof). We will immediately lose DBO is a strong statement.

And please entertain me with more of your fantasies about Chicken's neck.

On relevant thread here - https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/india-china-2020-border-conflict.82416

If not, can you stop with your rhetoric and delusion?
 

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German technology was a joke
In a short war, we'll immediately lose DBO due to lackluster infrastructure, which'll allow China to put Siachen under pressure, and that's without the Pakistanis. Don't even get me started on the chicken's neck
We have blacktopped road till DBO. The terrain of DBO/Depsang allows us to do a lot of offroading.
We have stationed huge columns of armor and artillery in Depsang and DBO because we exactly know DBO is threatened and our supply lines are stretched.

And please start on Chicken's neck. Tell me how China can threaten Chicken's neck.

Or they can bomb those positions out of existence with precision munitions, artillery, and those bombers they have.
Damn, if only there was something called counter-offensive. If only we had something, like our own artillery and precision munition, and bombers, who, maybe can threaten China's precision munitions, artillery, and bombers.
Alas, such things are not available in India.

I mean, there must be an option other than just looking awkwardly up the sky when China bombs those positions out of existence.
 

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Nigerians arent messin around.

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Damn, in a few years they’ve gone from militia standard to this and many Indians will look down on that continent.

Also note they are using training rounds- something I haven’t seen ANY Indian unit use- they are serious operators, not like the wannabe commandos you see in India.
 

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Ooh god please u really don't know about german tech please read somthing about it. We bought german submarine even South korea bought it.

And going by you seems that China will reach Delhi Tomorrow morning.
Kuch bhi?

UK was producing more Airplanes when compared to the germans.
Canada was producing more Tanks when compared to the germans.
US and Soviet Union were producing more of everything when compared to the germans.

Spitfire was superior to most german jets. US bombers were superior to anything the german could make.

The merlin jets of US were the best escort jets throughout the war outclassing everything the germans threw at them.

When the Allies were using huge motorized armies germans were still using horse drawn carriages.

What set the germans apart was their tactics and planning and their technology which later fell behind during war.
 

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Kuch bhi?

UK was producing more Airplanes when compared to the germans.
Canada was producing more Tanks when compared to the germans.
US and Soviet Union were producing more of everything when compared to the germans.

Spitfire was superior to most german jets. US bombers were superior to anything the german could make.

The merlin jets of US were the best escort jets throughout the war outclassing everything the germans threw at them.

When the Allies were using huge motorized armies germans were still using horse drawn carriages.

What set the germans apart was their tactics and planning and their technology which later fell behind during war.
But the germans were a step ahead. They were first to implement the assault rifle concept, and yes i know russians had a rifle too but that doesnt count. They also were first to implement the universal machine gun concept. Just look at their helmets, they were much better than the allies.
I am no fan of the nazis, but they did fire the first rocket in war, and brought the US (hanburger land) to the moon.
 

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Damn, in a few years they’ve gone from militia standard to this and many Indians will look down on that continent.

Also note they are using training rounds- something I haven’t seen ANY Indian unit use- they are serious operators, not like the wannabe commandos you see in India.

Well the same "serious operators" come to get training here with the "wannabe commandos". Just saying.
 
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Well the same "serious operators" come to get training here with the "wannabe commandos". Just saying.
Even SEALS and Green Berets have come for certain courses in India. Moot point.
 

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Even SEALS and Green Berets have come for certain courses in India. Moot point.
SEALs and Green Berets have come in the past, I don't think they come here to get trained, rather cross train and there's a mutual exchange. And in their case too, I dont think any SF would come to train here, unless they saw something of value with the "wannabe commandos".
The current set of regular exercises probably hold more value for us.

Moreover, SEALs and GBs have a successful combat record to show for themselves, like Indian SF, although the intensity and nature of operations may vary.

I don't think Nigerian SF, or "serious operators" as you termed them, have much to show for their combat record as far as things stand for now. Their operations against Boko Haram have been heavily assisted in by US SOCOM, even the current state they are in shows a clear US SOF footprint.

If just equipment levels are the factor that cause you to gripe so passionately against Indian SF to the extent of calling them "wannabe commandos", then I've said it before on this thread, individual operator equipment is not the soldier's discretion in the Indian scenario.

Those are more of babu-led decisions.

To keep the argument in its fairness, and focused on facts pertaining to SF, I don't think these oft-repeated, extremely worded statements, just to gripe at equipment levels, which are not even in the control of the individual operator, hold much water.

I rest my case here.
 
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We have blacktopped road till DBO. The terrain of DBO/Depsang allows us to do a lot of offroading.
We have stationed huge columns of armor and artillery in Depsang and DBO because we exactly know DBO is threatened and our supply lines are stretched.

And please start on Chicken's neck. Tell me how China can threaten Chicken's neck.



Damn, if only there was something called counter-offensive. If only we had something, like our own artillery and precision munition, and bombers, who, maybe can threaten China's precision munitions, artillery, and bombers.
Alas, such things are not available in India.

I mean, there must be an option other than just looking awkwardly up the sky when China bombs those positions out of existence.
Last time I checked, the Chinese enjoy superior artillery and armor and not us. You really expect success out of T-72s with their mango rounds and outdated subsystems, or from our current inventory of artillery? Not to mention, when was the last time the Indian military practiced a combined arms exercise that also wasn't a 'go through the motions' deal? In fact, since we're talking maneuver warfare with the "offroading" here, how well developed is the Indian military's real time intelligence apparatus? seeing as how an offensive requires proper scouting. Hell, how's the Indian military's intelligence apparatus in general with how Galwan panned out? How do you plan to maintain supply of this huge element of yours on roads alone?
The only thing keeping us ahead is our infrastructure for the Air force, and even that's going to be irrelevant in due time.
 

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Last time I checked, the Chinese enjoy superior artillery and armor and not us. You really expect success out of T-72s with their mango rounds and outdated subsystems, or from our current inventory of artillery? Not to mention, when was the last time the Indian military practiced a combined arms exercise that also wasn't a 'go through the motions' deal? In fact, since we're talking maneuver warfare with the "offroading" here, how well developed is the Indian military's real time intelligence apparatus? seeing as how an offensive requires proper scouting. Hell, how's the Indian military's intelligence apparatus in general with how Galwan panned out? How do you plan to maintain supply of this huge element of yours on roads alone?
The only thing keeping us ahead is our infrastructure for the Air force, and even that's going to be irrelevant in due time.
What are these mango rounds , which so often people talk about ?
Are they some degraded shit ?
 

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SEALs and Green Berets have come in the past, I don't think they come here to get trained, rather cross train and there's a mutual exchange. And in their case too, I dont think any SF would come to train here, unless they saw something of value with the "wannabe commandos".
The current set of regular exercises probably hold more value for us.

Moreover, SEALs and GBs have a successful combat record to show for themselves, like Indian SF, although the intensity and nature of operations may vary.

I don't think Nigerian SF, or "serious operators" as you termed them, have much to show for their combat record as far as things stand for now. Their operations against Boko Haram have been heavily assisted in by US SOCOM, even the current state they are in shows a clear US SOF footprint.

If just equipment levels are the factor that cause you to gripe so passionately against Indian SF to the extent of calling them "wannabe commandos", then I've said it before on this thread, individual operator equipment is not the soldier's discretion in the Indian scenario.

Those are more of babu-led decisions.

To keep the argument in its fairness, and focused on facts pertaining to SF, I don't think these oft-repeated, extremely worded statements, just to gripe at equipment levels, which are not even in the control of the individual operator, hold much water.

I rest my case here.
Many Western SFs come to train with/by Indian schools like HAWS and CIJWS because they have learning cultures

On your second point, whilst I’m not blaming the individual Indian operators for failures of those above them that doesn’t mean my assessment doesn’t stand. Their fault of the fault of their seniors the effect is the same- they are grossly lacking across the board

wannabes is fair in my opinion and any professional (from any sector) would appreciate that. Their training and results speak for themselves.

rubbish in, rubbish out.
 

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Many Western SFs come to train with/by Indian schools like HAWS and CIJWS because they have learning cultures

On your second point, whilst I’m not blaming the individual Indian operators for failures of those above them that doesn’t mean my assessment doesn’t stand. Their fault of the fault of their seniors the effect is the same- they are grossly lacking across the board

wannabes is fair in my opinion and any professional (from any sector) would appreciate that. Their training and results speak for themselves.

rubbish in, rubbish out.
people dont get that i am not shitting on indian soldiers, i am shitting on the system that lets them down. The special forces deserve the best, we are failing them.
 

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Please do some concrete research on the industrial capabilities of Germany during WW2, it was thoroughly outclassed by all the allies in that regard which isn't surprising considering said allies were the three largest economies of that time, one of which revolutionized production with industrial technology. The German industry was primitive in comparison, and their focus on complex machinery and constant change in production lead to piss-poor reliability from their products and poor output. For instance, the panther tanks in particular were prone to their Armor cracking due to the brittleness which came out of poor quality control, on top of it lacking a universal sight for the gunner and commander.
It was the US that dominated the technology game.
What does our purchase of submarines from modern Germany have to do with WW2 germany?

"And going by you seems that China will reach Delhi Tomorrow morning."
So now we're exaggerating. China can't reach Delhi due to it's own logistical challenges, but it doesn't have to either
See your are right in some of your points but I am talking about quantity vs quality, and mainly about GERMAN vs SOVIET technology not others.

And coming to chicken neck we will be having A Rafale squadron , and Su 30 squadrons by the end of year and planes will be having advantahes as they will taking of from plains
 

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German technology was a joke
In a short war, we'll immediately lose DBO due to lackluster infrastructure, which'll allow China to put Siachen under pressure, and that's without the Pakistanis. Don't even get me started on the chicken's neck
Nigga that sugar sector will be hornet nest to PLA don't say anything which you don't know.
 

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