Indian Special Forces

[ManhattanProject]

They dont see the irony when they mock pakistanis for saying they will defeat us.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Bravdo is well and good but we will be defeated badly , it will again ve a case of a glorious defeat scenario.
Men fought till last , then we lost.
Tell me you people seriously belive that indian army has technological parity with pla.
Drones , drones do trouble me.
After 27 feb debacle , I wonder whether Indian military can create a net of SAMs or are they used for base defence onle

 

[ManhattanProject]

Depends, I was looking at quads. Although Tonbo's pricing is still unknown.

Quads will be a useless waste of money for us, Dual tubes will do 90% of the job and cost a fraction of what quads cost. The battery life is better too i assume.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

You don't deploy whole Army, AF and Navy just for a single country for war just like India CDS and Generals know we are low on gdp , manufacturing , Arms and ammunition but not that low on technology yup we need a slap to ass to wake up sometimes and I think China will be the one who is most worried about Martime logistics if you have ever seen Indian Ocean on who will be chocked . War ain't won on miracles it's won on using all assets you have wether be men, machinery , ₹ etc. If China goes all out on India being the only nation able to stand up overall in Asia I bet others will support too it's navie to think India will not play Taiwan or China will not play Sri Lanka / Pakistan part don't forget to include Japan , Philippines and Australia .

All those won't even lift a finger , according to me .
Why will they suffer , unka economy etc sahi chal raha hai.
Iam nit being a raita type but tell me why they will support india ?

 

[Scramjet]

Quads will be a useless waste of money for us, Dual tubes will do 90$ of the job and cost a fraction of what quads cost. The battery life is better too i assume.

Thats the reason why 98% of ussocom sticks with pvs 31s

 

[Waanar]

You don't deploy whole Army, AF and Navy just for a single country for war just like India CDS and Generals know we are low on gdp , manufacturing , Arms and ammunition but not that low on technology yup we need a slap to ass to wake up sometimes and I think China will be the one who is most worried about Martime logistics if you have ever seen Indian Ocean on who will be chocked . War ain't won on miracles it's won on using all assets you have wether be men, machinery , ₹ etc. If China goes all out on India being the only nation able to stand up overall in Asia I bet others will support too it's navie to think India will not play Taiwan or China will not play Sri Lanka / Pakistan part don't forget to include Japan , Philippines and Australia .

Again, the entire point is if we alone could defeat China, one on one, mano a mano.
Our military doesn't have the logistics to. A short skirmish or even a month long series of sporadic fighting are not true indicators of success in a drawn out war.

We are talking of drawn out wars, right? Not skirmishes?

 

[Fire and groove]

Quads will be a useless waste of money for us, Dual tubes will do 90$ of the job and cost a fraction of what quads cost. The battery life is better too i assume.

To be fair, we should be looking at fused optics now like the new L3 GPNVGs for any tier one unit of our wet dreams, or even dual tube fused...

 

[Fire and groove]

Again, the entire point is if we alone could defeat China, one on one, mano a mano.
Our military doesn't have the logistics to. A short skirmish or even a month long series of sporadic fighting are not true indicators of success in a drawn out war.

We are talking of drawn out wars, right? Not skirmishes?

To be fair, we currently enjoy the infrastructure superiority regarding air power against China.....for now.

 

[Scramjet]

To be fair, we should be looking at fused optics now like the new L3 GPNVGs for any tier one unit of our wet dreams, or even dual tube fused...

GPNVGs are purely Image intensifiers and not fused TI + I² tech

 

[Fire and groove]

GPNVGs are purely Image intensifiers and not fused TI + I² tech

New variants are:

SOFIC 2019: L3 Technologies unveils the Fused GPNVG

L3 Technologies launched a new variant of its Ground Panoramic Night Vision Goggles (GPNVGs) at the 2019 SOFIC, which was held in Florida from 20 to 23 May.

www.janes.com

 

[ManhattanProject]

You don't deploy whole Army, AF and Navy just for a single country for war just like India CDS and Generals know we are low on gdp , manufacturing , Arms and ammunition but not that low on technology yup we need a slap to ass to wake up sometimes and I think China will be the one who is most worried about Martime logistics if you have ever seen Indian Ocean on who will be chocked . War ain't won on miracles it's won on using all assets you have wether be men, machinery , ₹ etc. If China goes all out on India being the only nation able to stand up overall in Asia I bet others will support too it's navie to think India will not play Taiwan or China will not play Sri Lanka / Pakistan part don't forget to include Japan , Philippines and Australia .

So you do agree India will lose to china without help.

 

[Scramjet]

New variants are.

AFAIK tier 1s are testing photonis panoramic nvgs as of now

 

[Rakesh4600]

So you do agree India will lose to china without help.

India can take on china in short war( basically CHINA will have huge losses). But due to massive industrial strength, long term war is a nightmare for us. Indian Airforce electronics, training and bunch of experience can be beneficial for short time but chinese massive no. number will catch up very soon.

SAME WAY THE RED ARMY( SOVIET) TOTALLY OUT NUMBERED THE NAZI IN WW2 DESPITE THE GERMAN TECHNOLOGY WAS FAR AHEAD THAN SOVIET.

 

[Aditya Roy]

I don't read bullshit like you. Shukla and panag may be your role model not mine. Every knows who got humiliated last year no one wants to hear your churan.

Col. Shukla and Gen. Panag may have partisan views. But they were spot on regarding most of the things last year. From Nitin Gokhale to Abhijit Iyer Mitra, everyone has their political allegiance. But it's a fact that the Galwan incident was an absolute intelligence failure.

 

[Fire and groove]

India can take on china in short war( basically CHINA will have huge losses). But due to massive industrial strength, long term war is a nightmare for us. Indian Airforce electronics, training and bunch of experience can be beneficial for short time but chinese massive no. number will catch up very soon.

SAME WAY THE RED ARMY( SOVIET) TOTALLY OUT NUMBERED THE NAZI IN WW2 DESPITE THE GERMAN HAVE TECHNOLOGY WAS FAR AHEAD

German technology was a joke
In a short war, we'll immediately lose DBO due to lackluster infrastructure, which'll allow China to put Siachen under pressure, and that's without the Pakistanis. Don't even get me started on the chicken's neck

 

[Rakesh4600]

German technology was a joke
In a short war, we'll immediately lose DBO due to lackluster infrastructure, which'll allow China to put Siachen under pressure, and that's without the Pakistanis. Don't even get me started on the chicken's neck

Ooh god please u really don't know about german tech please read somthing about it. We bought german submarine even South korea bought it.

And going by you seems that China will reach Delhi Tomorrow morning.

 

[Aditya Roy]

German technology was a joke
In a short war, we'll immediately lose DBO due to lackluster infrastructure, which'll allow China to put Siachen under pressure, and that's without the Pakistanis. Don't even get me started on the chicken's neck

Initially, we may have an edge, but over time the PLA has the advantage owing to massive industrial strength and manufacturing capability. That's why we need allies in any conflict with China. The Indian Air Force and Navy both are strategically and technologically superior to their PLA counterparts.

 

[Spadex]

Col. Shukla and Gen. Panag may have partisan views. But they were spot on regarding most of the things last year. From Nitin Gokhale to Abhijit Iyer Mitra, everyone has their political allegiance. But it's a fact that the Galwan incident was an absolute intelligence failure.

We have a habit of being surprised.

Take 1968 as an example, n number of officers, mountaineers, locals raised the red flag in advance but our army only wake up after it received a official letter from Pakistan claiming the whole area beyond NJ9842, by that time our beloved Pakistan were ready with winter clothes , tents , logistics etc to assault and captured the Siachen while our soldiers have to climb with standard issued sweaters. Same thing happened in 1999 or 62 or 27 Feb or galwan. 1000+ Chinese soldiers were suddenly deployed at your border and you don't no shit. What we learn NOTHING (?). something is going to happen on LAC soon we are again going to be surprised again

 

[Fire and groove]

Ooh god please u really don't know about german tech please read somthing about it. We bought german submarine even South korea bought it.

And going by you seems that China will reach Delhi Tomorrow morning.

Please do some concrete research on the industrial capabilities of Germany during WW2, it was thoroughly outclassed by all the allies in that regard which isn't surprising considering said allies were the three largest economies of that time, one of which revolutionized production with industrial technology. The German industry was primitive in comparison, and their focus on complex machinery and constant change in production lead to piss-poor reliability from their products and poor output. For instance, the panther tanks in particular were prone to their Armor cracking due to the brittleness which came out of poor quality control, on top of it lacking a universal sight for the gunner and commander.
It was the US that dominated the technology game.
What does our purchase of submarines from modern Germany have to do with WW2 germany?

"And going by you seems that China will reach Delhi Tomorrow morning."
So now we're exaggerating. China can't reach Delhi due to it's own logistical challenges, but it doesn't have to either

 

[Aditya Roy]

We have a habit of being surprised.

Take 1968 as an example, n number of officers, mountaineers, locals raised the red flag in advance but our army only wake up after it received a official letter from Pakistan claiming the whole area beyond NJ9842, by that time our beloved Pakistan were ready with winter clothes , tents , logistics etc to assault and captured the Siachen while our soldiers have to climb with standard issued sweaters. Same thing happened in 1999 or 62 or 27 Feb or galwan. 1000+ Chinese soldiers were suddenly deployed at your border and you don't no shot. What we learn NOTHING (?). something is going to happen on LAC soon we are again going to be surprised

History repeats itself. We won in 1971 under Gen. Manekshaw because we surprised them. The rest of the time we got surprised, then hastily mobilized to save face. Be it 1947-48, 65, 99 we could save face only because of our sheer size as a military force (compared to Pak) and because Pakistanis are not 'bright' and usually not that well known as people who use their brains. The same won't work with China. Example: 1962