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this shows Para SF use what’s called a “strong wall” method; entering through one point, whether it’s through a door or by blowing a hole in a wall, and forming a wall of assaulters all with their weapons pointed in/toward the same basic direction. It has some disadvantages too

 

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this shows Para SF use what’s called a “strong wall” method; entering through one point, whether it’s through a door or by blowing a hole in a wall, and forming a wall of assaulters all with their weapons pointed in/toward the same basic direction. It has some disadvantages too

But didn't Paras changed or in process of changing their kill houses with movable walls?
 

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But didn't Paras changed or in process of changing their kill houses with movable walls?
Movable walls dont change the way you operate, it just changes the training environment. Strong wall doesnt mean the wall is strong or not moving. Dude it really is a tactic. In this, you create a wall or if you want to call it - a line formation of assaulters once you occupy the room. The basic dynamics of CQB are same, as in first man goes here, second man goes there...etc. But the difference comes in how the third and and fourth man take positions to fill the gaps.

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Movable walls dont change the way you operate, it just changes the training environment. Strong wall doesnt mean the wall is strong or not moving. Dude it really is a tactic. In this, you create a wall or if you want to call it - a line formation of assaulters once you occupy the room. The basic dynamics of CQB are same, as in first man goes here, second man goes there...etc. But the difference comes in how the third and and fourth man take positions to fill the gaps.

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Strong wall is generally slower than dynamic entry.
Also strong wall method is not desirable in places with thin walls .
 

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Strong wall is generally slower than dynamic entry.
Also strong wall method is not desirable in places with thin walls .
It does'nt have to do anything with thick or thin walls. Strong wall is a very SWAT team approach to CQB it focuses on holding ground once you occupy the room. Considering how the Indian Army uses it's men as cannon fodder, I am not surprized that Para SF are using it.

The main disadvantage is that you have little awarness of the room. You have too many people at once side, all focusing on the same area. It is a good tactic to defeat the fatal funnel quickly since you have alot of assaulters. In former Delta force Tom satterly's memoir he says Navy SEALs (vanilla unit) use strong wall method, so do Army rangers (up until early GWOT) then Delta and Team 6 mentored them
 

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this shows Para SF use what’s called a “strong wall” method; entering through one point, whether it’s through a door or by blowing a hole in a wall, and forming a wall of assaulters all with their weapons pointed in/toward the same basic direction. It has some disadvantages too

While some para units incorporate training for POD, the predominant approach among most units remains the robust wall method. My outfit underwent specialized instruction in advanced CQB/hostage rescue from a Para SF unit, exclusively emphasizing this methodology.
 

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Were do you think we should move forward now with our cqb tactics now?
It's a difficult question answer. That's because CQB tactics keep changing. I'm not saying 'limited pentration' - the Isreali tactic is bad. I'm saying it's just hyped. It's slow and carefull. Points of domination and slicing the pie is much better giving the same advantages.

Only MARCOS and NSG I have seen use dynamic and deliberate (both).

It's dependent on the mandate. Many Para SF guys are SG and NSG qualified so they might know CQB better and they do. But mostly the army follows the 'strong wall' or 'robust wall method'. This has two advantages and the several disadvantages as discussed earlier.
1. It minimizes the time spent in the fatal funnel (the area directly in front of the entry
point where operators are most vulnerable).
2. It creates a larger line formation, think of it as a phalanx inside a room

But guessing more complex scenarios, where speed and mobility is key - this tactic fades away in efficiency


For regular infantry who dont have to deal with much complex CQB scenarios - they can only use 'strong wall'

For SWAT Teams and VBSS units, since they do 'call outs' and apply non-leathal force - a 'strong wall' method as well as 'points of domination' would be advised

For units with a mandate on Hostage Rescue, Room Intervention and operating on complex plateforms like oil rigs, aircrafts, hotels etc....they need a mix of Dynamic and deliberate. It's a lot of work, a lot of thinking involved into which CQB tactic is the best

Best put - the structure of the target and nature of your job dictates the tactics
 
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Great interview and good insights and sf officer himself saying no we aren't most mordernsed force or have world class weapons just better than rest of infantry hopefully now people understand why we always want only the best for our guys who are amazing at their jobs would be great if they will have equally amazing equipments too.
 

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Great interview and good insights and sf officer himself saying no we aren't most mordernsed force or have world class weapons just better than rest of infantry hopefully now people understand why we always want only the best for our guys who are amazing at their jobs would be great if they will have equally amazing equipments too.
But do you notice the sasta DFI that posted this
 

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