Mountain rat and elite predator, both have proved themselves to be massive clown time and time again.
If I remember correctly ,one of them is (or claims to be) a son of retired Col in Para SF.
Sad part is that these clowns lie so confidently that many noobs believe them to be right and start following them.
While the one who actually have the knowledge base get to be called anti national and bootlicker.
The kind of mindset they create is the reason why govt officials (including military) are never questioned about any failures.
This sums up the kind of mindset they create amongst others.