Indian Special Forces

[airborneCommando]

Same area

No brother, kandi forest is in the foothills of pir panjal, going by the tweet the area of operations is dassal gujran i.e nearly 25 km by aerial distance from kandi. Very (in)famous route for crossing.

 

[airborneCommando]

On one end of the stick you have dudes who claim Indian army is totally useless and on the other you have dudes who claim that it’s unbeatable. Nice, zero middle ground and if I try to make middle ground i get accused of jai ho syndrome.

Full sapport chalte raho boss

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Sf involved or an rr ops?

 

[Kumaoni]

Sf involved or an rr ops?

Most likely RR

 

[airborneCommando]

Sf involved or an rr ops?

Ambush, similiar to what i wrote a few pages ago. Multiple hunting parties of SF+RR alongwith SOG.
Considering a few OSINT accounts' int on this operation, this was the same group that ambushed us earlier this month.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Sirji I read very early reports mostly from osints
This is what I understood and after that many reports were contradicting each other so I wrote it
I might be wrong regarding the timeline but even 7 am should be dark in dense forest if I am not wrong
But one thing for sure sir ied blast did happen bcoz that is one thing common in most reports can't say if that can be reason of casualty bcoz as far as I read 3-4 troops were shoot and ied impact wasn't visible invideos too
But ied would have been used for ambushing
May be I might be wrong like incase of timing

5 am sunrise bro and its mot dense forest

 

[jai jaganath]

Did the fallen bodies ever get recovered?

a hunting party being ambushed and that too by irregulars…… sure it might have happened to even the best units in the world before but the manner of this one is just so abysmal. May as well have sent in a RR company if this is how they are going to operate, the reason SFs exist is to be able to deliver outsized performance because of superior training and equipment, if this is how they can be defeated then it’s just infantry on the cheap

Yeah latter on ig bcoz in videos it seemed that bodies were left there maybe the team had got heavy injuries so it was difficult or heavy enemy firing but don't know the exact reason

 

[airborneCommando]

Did the fallen bodies ever get recovered?

Yes

 

[jai jaganath]

5 am sunrise bro and its mot dense forest

Actually I was believing the encounter happened 4-5 am as per earlier reports and even that fitted into logic of absence of night fighting capabilities
If it was 7 and it was day type like u say then why many are blaming night fighting capability in this case
Infact I was stressing over darkness to get things into night fighting domain
Maybe I am getting things terribly wrong
I am not saying they have excellent night fighting capabilities but here did that thing had his role
Now I think I have messed up a little regarding timing and ops type if u can shed some light then I can understand sirji

 

[Kumaoni]

Paras were gunned down worse than any RR battalion. Even in Poonch 21.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Actually I was believing the encounter happened 4-5 am as per earlier reports and even that fitted into logic of absence of night fighting capabilities
If it was 7 and it was day type like u say then why many are blaming night fighting capability in this case
Infact I was stressing over darkness to get things into night fighting domain
Maybe I am getting things terribly wrong
I am not saying they have excellent night fighting capabilities but here did that thing had his role
Now I think I have messed up a little regarding timing and ops type if u can shed some light then I can understand sirji

Bhai the ops in Indian Army are delayed until first light because there is no night fighting capability.

Day time the adversary can fck u pretty bad as is obvious.

If we had night fighting capability we would have launched the ops and caught the terrorists with their pants down.

Now what has happened is that our best SF unit got foxed and 2 of its scouts have upper body gun shot wounds and the rest died in hospital with the terrorist escaping unscratched.

 

[Kumaoni]

Bhai the ops in Indian Army are delayed until first light because there is no night fighting capability.

Day time the adversary can fck u pretty bad as is obvious.

If we had night fighting capability we would have launched the ops and caught the terrorists with their pants down.

Now what has happened is that our best SF unit got foxed and 2 of its scouts have upper body gun shot wounds and the rest died in hospital with the terrorist escaping unscratched.

How could this have been prevented?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I dont know if 9 para sf officers and IA senior command will have any regrets or not but that clip of one 9 para operator sitting beside a tree with his hand ready to fire but the brave chap having had his last breath already …really makes me sad.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

How could this have been prevented?

By listening to what Gucci gang members like me have to say all year.

Invest in better gear and equipment..50 tanks less will not make any difference.

 

[Kumaoni]

By listening to what Gucci gang members like me have to say all year.

Invest in better gear and equipment..50 tanks less will not make any difference.

Gucci gang is right only, zero disagreements from my end, have always said that with bravery you need equipments, gear, and better tactics

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Gucci gang is right only, zero disagreements from my end, have always said that with bravery you need equipments, gear, and better tactics

Use drones to scan the area

Better gear and protection

NV capability…launch the op at midnight with the motto ..we rule the night

i can bet my head and say the result would have been very very different

 

[jai jaganath]

Bhai the ops in Indian Army are delayed until first light because there is no night fighting capability.

Day time the adversary can fck u pretty bad as is obvious.

If we had night fighting capability we would have launched the ops and caught the terrorists with their pants down.

Now what has happened is that our best SF unit got foxed and 2 of its scouts have upper body gun shot wounds and the rest died in hospital with the terrorist escaping unscratched.

Thanks for explanation
I was thinking other way round
I was thinking these happened due to darkness but reality was the ops delayed till daylight and yes the adversary waiting for u will have the advantage more in day
Thanx sirji wanna abtak galat report ke sahare assumption bante

 

[Kumaoni]

Use drones to scan the area

Better gear and protection

NV capability…launch the op at midnight with the motto ..we rule the night

i can bet my head and say the result would have been very very different

I just hope this comes to about. Can’t keep fighting like it’s 1974 anymore.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I just hope this comes to about. Can’t keep fighting like it’s 1974 anymore.

There is a reason i call the current officer class of the Indian army a let down from previous generations.

After how many years from the formation of SAS was Indian Para brigade formed?

After how many years of the US Army adopting camo in Vietnam did the Indian Army adopt camo?

Now think of all those raids in 71!!..class apart

Come back to the present…

How many years after the US adopting a SF command have we adopted the concept?

Amphibious brigade capability after assessing iraq war?

Sniper capabilites after assessing Afghanistan war and Iraq war?

We are bloody jokers..the current generation.

Our biggest achievement is that we introduced digi camo after 20 years from the world and we are introducing women to combat.

Jaaaaaaiiii Hooooo!!!!

 

[Kumaoni]

There is a reason i call the current officer class of the Indian army a let down from previous generations.

After how many years from the formation of SAS was Indian Para brigade formed?

After how many years of the US Army adopting camo in Vietnam did the Indian Army adopt camo?

Now think of all those raids in 71!!..class apart

Come back to the present…

How many years after the US adopting a SF command have we adopted the concept?

U r totally right. I have relatives who fought in those wars back then. Different breed entirely. Very disciplined, great respect for the upper brass, always pressed home the action. Officers were more innovative in regards to tactics (ie laying overnight ambushes, yes you heard that right), etc.

I mean why tf are paras charging a terrorist hideout first thing in the morning? This is legit 1947-1948 tier tactics!

How many years after the US adopting a SF command have we adopted the concept?

Amphibious brigade capability after assessing iraq war?

Sniper capabilites after assessing Afghanistan war and Iraq war?

We are bloody jokers..the current generation.

Forget all this, how about equipping soldiers with basic armaments and kits so they don’t bleed out? Or sending them in single file lines to fight against terrorists they can’t even see in dense forests? Now this is the shit that usa made afghan army do, but why is there zero regard for casualty?


On a divisional level, India never managed to succeed much, but it’s even brigade level discipline which one it several key battles back then seems to have gone down.