Indian Special Forces

[Kumaoni]

There were guys from 60RR aswell augmented to the team hunting in that place, what about them ?

Seems like paras with their big egos choose not to work with them.

 

[airborneCommando]

Seems like paras with their big egos choose not to work with them.

It's been a while since ive heard stuff like this, there's a good synergy b/w multiple units invloved in CI in J&K. There's a good synergy b/w multiple units and orgs. There have been a plethora of successful joint SF + RR SADO ops, they even lay ambushes together.

 

[jai jaganath]

What actually happened at Rajouri, how exactly the operation unfolded, where things went south ? Im geniunely asking this, please don't reply on the basis of half baked information.

As per what I have ready there where 10 troops 9 from para 9 and 1 from rr
Divided into 5 member group and engaged around 3-4-5 am(not clear) so basically consider it as night
Basically an ied blast followed by a firefight in ied the major got injured and evacuate
As they were disoriented due to ied blasts they better moved back to safety taking injured troops along with major among 1 martyred but due to heavy enemy firing theh weren't able to get the boddues of 4 troops
Basically ied disoriented and might have taken 1 or 2 troops down atmost rest in enemy fire
The above part I read from bits available but last part my assumption

 

[mcpo117]

As per what I have ready there where 10 troops 9 from para 9 and 1 from rr
Divided into 5 member group and engaged around 3-4-5 am(not clear) so basically consider it as night
Basically an ied blast followed by a firefight in ied the major got injured and evacuate
As they were disoriented due to ied blasts they better moved back to safety taking injured troops along with major among 1 martyred but due to heavy enemy firing theh weren't able to get the boddues of 4 troops
Basically ied disoriented and might have taken 1 or 2 troops down atmost rest in enemy fire
The above part I read from bits available but last part my assumption

Disoriented? Hmmm. Don't comtacs use noise cancellation?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

In what exactly ? We Indians have not fought a full scale war since 1971. All the "experience" goes away when the soldier leaves the army and the times have changed as well the nature of warfare , a person cannot fight with his grandfathers experience he had during WW2. When It comes to CT/CI ops country like Phillipines are very underrated especially the Siege of Marawi where they had very good K/D ratio against Islamic state. Kashmir situation is pretty normal comapred to these since not more than 5 militants r involved in an encounter since a very long time and still our troops take casualties even after outnumbering them.

Thats true.

Man vs man in kashmir would make what result i doubt.

recent encounter va para sf and rr all have the bad guys in single digits and mostly less than 5…make that 20-25 and see what the result becomes.

we are superior and only we are trained and we are the best..aka Major Jacob logic is pretty much proved wrong.

its high time we equip and train.

(pakistani punjabis are nowhere known to be top fighters in any muslim terrorist organisation and we are fighting them) reality check

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

As per what I have ready there where 10 troops 9 from para 9 and 1 from rr
Divided into 5 member group and engaged around 3-4-5 am(not clear) so basically consider it as night
Basically an ied blast followed by a firefight in ied the major got injured and evacuate
As they were disoriented due to ied blasts they better moved back to safety taking injured troops along with major among 1 martyred but due to heavy enemy firing theh weren't able to get the boddues of 4 troops
Basically ied disoriented and might have taken 1 or 2 troops down atmost rest in enemy fire
The above part I read from bits available but last part my assumption

Well they started at around 7 am

secondly i dont know what part did ied come in coz as per the video both the operators who died in the battlefield seem to have gun shot wounds on upper body only…rest have died in military hospital so if they were hit by ied then ied came in late

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Seems like the 6 man para team were getting ready to hunt terrorists, waited the night, launched the Operation at first light, soldiers walked into an ambush, IED then firefight. Lost 5 men while killing One terrorist. Humiliating defeat for India.

9-10 para sf men

and that one terrorist killed was different area and not the same who killed para sf

para sf ones crossed loc with the videos and bragging rights for the rest of their life

 

[jai jaganath]

Disoriented? Hmmm. Don't comtacs use noise cancellation?

Generally ambush is done by ied blast then followed by firing
So this is what I meant by disorientation but it even happens to good sf too so comtacs is the answer for it or not is not clear but it should reduce some damage though

 

[jai jaganath]

Well they started at around 7 am

secondly i dont know what part did ied come in coz as per the video both the operators who died in the battlefield seem to have gun shot wounds on upper body only…rest have died in military hospital so if they were hit by ied then ied came in late

Sirji I read very early reports mostly from osints
This is what I understood and after that many reports were contradicting each other so I wrote it
I might be wrong regarding the timeline but even 7 am should be dark in dense forest if I am not wrong
But one thing for sure sir ied blast did happen bcoz that is one thing common in most reports can't say if that can be reason of casualty bcoz as far as I read 3-4 troops were shoot and ied impact wasn't visible invideos too
But ied would have been used for ambushing
May be I might be wrong like incase of timing

 

[Kumaoni]

9-10 para sf men

and that one terrorist killed was different area and not the same who killed para sf

para sf ones crossed loc with the videos and bragging rights for the rest of their life

I thought paras moved in teams of 6? https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...one-terrorist-killed-101683332194943-amp.html

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I thought paras moved in teams of 6? https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...one-terrorist-killed-101683332194943-amp.html

5-10

that terrorist was killed by someone else and not para

 

[Kumaoni]

5-10

that terrorist was killed by someone else and not para

Paras couldn’t even kill a single one, wow. Sad.

 

[abingdonboy]

As per what I have ready there where 10 troops 9 from para 9 and 1 from rr
Divided into 5 member group and engaged around 3-4-5 am(not clear) so basically consider it as night
Basically an ied blast followed by a firefight in ied the major got injured and evacuate
As they were disoriented due to ied blasts they better moved back to safety taking injured troops along with major among 1 martyred but due to heavy enemy firing theh weren't able to get the boddues of 4 troops
Basically ied disoriented and might have taken 1 or 2 troops down atmost rest in enemy fire
The above part I read from bits available but last part my assumption

Did the fallen bodies ever get recovered?

a hunting party being ambushed and that too by irregulars…… sure it might have happened to even the best units in the world before but the manner of this one is just so abysmal. May as well have sent in a RR company if this is how they are going to operate, the reason SFs exist is to be able to deliver outsized performance because of superior training and equipment, if this is how they can be defeated then it’s just infantry on the cheap

 

[abingdonboy]

(pakistani punjabis are nowhere known to be top fighters in any muslim terrorist organisation and we are fighting them) reality check

don’t south Asian Muslims go to ISIS and get made to be their toilet cleaners?

Imagine if these guys had walked into the kind of complex ambushes the Talibanis or IS would setup against NATO unit with the kind of heavy firepower they had on hand (RPGs, anti-material rifles etc)

maybe having such low quality opposition and that too in a CT/COIN conflict for so long has made indian units incredibly soft

 

[Kumaoni]

don’t south Asian Muslims go to ISIS and get made to be their toilet cleaners?

Imagine if these guys had walked into the kind of complex ambushes the Talibanis or IS would setup against NATO unit with the kind of heavy firepower they had on hand (RPGs, anti-material rifles etc)

maybe having such low quality opposition and that too in a CT/COIN conflict for so long has made indian units incredibly soft

The current insurgents are abysmal, but some of the insurgents that were fought back in the 1990s and early 2000s were pretty much Soviet afghan war trained and even veterans, and they had far more firepower. By how long, I assume u mean the last 10 years? Where it’s been 100 insurgent deaths give or take?

 

[Kumaoni]

On one end of the stick you have dudes who claim Indian army is totally useless and on the other you have dudes who claim that it’s unbeatable. Nice, zero middle ground and if I try to make middle ground i get accused of jai ho syndrome.

 

[STORE]

On one end of the stick you have dudes who claim Indian army is totally useless

Thts a bold statement, can u please quote the post and person who said tht.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

don’t south Asian Muslims go to ISIS and get made to be their toilet cleaners?

Imagine if these guys had walked into the kind of complex ambushes the Talibanis or IS would setup against NATO unit with the kind of heavy firepower they had on hand (RPGs, anti-material rifles etc)

maybe having such low quality opposition and that too in a CT/COIN conflict for so long has made indian units incredibly soft

Low quality and low trained opposition and that too in single digits mostly under 5.

That is the reason i say there is no reason for the false bravado our retired Majors come and show on YouTube

The day quality afgan or ISIS type opposition comes and that too in good numbers..then time will tell how good we are.

 

[Kumaoni]

Low quality and low trained opposition and that too in single digits mostly under 5.

That is the reason i say there is no reason for the false bravado our retired Majors come and show on YouTube

The day quality afgan or ISIS type opposition comes and that too in good numbers..then time will tell how good we are.

Such opposition has come in the past

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

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