Indian Special Forces

[SGOperative]

In CI/CT ops:
the usual intersquad radios are motorola gp338s (a very sturdy p25 radio) with stubby antenna(when using load vest), biconical antenna/whip antenna(when using plate carriers that dont have molle straps up there to house a shoulder pouch for the radio) and multi terrain ops. The squad comms specialist uses a BEL manpack(soon getting replaced by L3 RF-7800H-MP) with whip antenna for squad to command element.
Apart from p25 radios, they are also using motorola DMRs

Any info on 4 Para's kit upgrade?

 

[Scramjet]

Any info on 4 Para's kit upgrade?

The kit you saw in vajra prahar is their standard(± that green specops combat fatigues). CI/CT kits remain underwhelming very similiar to RR.

 

[SGOperative]

The kit you saw in vajra prahar is their standard(± that green specops combat fatigues). CI/CT kits remain underwhelming very similiar to RR.

So i guess after 9 its 10 with the better kit?

 

[ALBY]

SFF,Archers/Para Grkhas or Vanilla Paras .,which one is best in terms of alround performance and kit?

 

[Jedi Operator]

So i guess after 9 its 10 with the better kit?

I always maintain that we should revert back to the original ones, 9, 10 & 1, maybe keep 21 as reserve, 2,4 & 11 have good reputation too, but keep it limited to three battalions.

Anyways, I think some time ago many of us agreed that RAW should have a unit like ISA, but I think that's a bit misunderstood. ISA could've been a part of CIA, so why US army? That's because it concentrates only on the tactical part of intel gathering which JSOC is interested in. USA saw ground intelligence contingencies as needing improvement if future special operations were to be successful, as the CIA did not always provide all the information needed. Former Delta operator Pete Blabber says that the currency of spies is information, and the highest-value currency is information that no one else knows about. Once a spy acquires it, he’s trained to lock it up, guard it, and only give it to others for something in return. As a result, spies tend to overcompartmentalize their most credible information. That's why ISA was created, to substitute for CIA whenever it could because obviously they cant keep CIA out of picture. I have heard that the closest we have to ISA in terms of roles and capabilities is 1st Archers of SFF. Again dont know how true

 

[NotASussyBoi]

SFF,Archers/Para Grkhas or Vanilla Paras .,which one is best in terms of alround performance and kit?

i aint that much of the og nibbas but personally sff is likely better than those two paras in mountain warfare due to the tibetans inducted having genetics and training, gurkhas will probably be equal to paras aside from maybe their moral but really they'll be same , in equipment i'm putting money on sff for standarization but i believe that0( in a pic i've seen) they're using old pcs, maybe para's will win in equipment but sff is just too vague to judge on , if para and sff fight in some simulated world only thing that will be an affector is karma and luck

 

[SGOperative]

I always maintain that we should revert back to the original ones, 9, 10 & 1, maybe keep 21 as reserve, 2,4 & 11 have good reputation too, but keep it limited to three battalions.

Anyways, I think some time ago many of us agreed that RAW should have a unit like ISA, but I think that's a bit misunderstood. ISA could've been a part of CIA, so why US army? That's because it concentrates only on the tactical part of intel gathering which JSOC is interested in. USA saw ground intelligence contingencies as needing improvement if future special operations were to be successful, as the CIA did not always provide all the information needed. Former Delta operator Pete Blabber says that the currency of spies is information, and the highest-value currency is information that no one else knows about. Once a spy acquires it, he’s trained to lock it up, guard it, and only give it to others for something in return. As a result, spies tend to overcompartmentalize their most credible information. That's why ISA was created, to substitute for CIA whenever it could because obviously they cant keep CIA out of picture. I have heard that the closest we have to ISA in terms of roles and capabilities is 1st Archers of SFF. Again dont know how true

CISU is the one for prepping up intelligence for battlefield and also you cant just draw parrales with different countries just like that.

Also if you keep 21 as a reserve who will be going deep in jungles and on the borders with China in Arunachal.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Any info on 4 Para's kit upgrade?

The kit you saw in vajra prahar is their standard(± that green specops combat fatigues). CI/CT kits remain underwhelming very similiar to RR.

Their fatigues we saw came from this shop. @Spadex

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[SGOperative]

i aint that much of the og nibbas but personally sff is likely better than those two paras in mountain warfare due to the tibetans inducted having genetics and training, gurkhas will probably be equal to paras aside from maybe their moral but really they'll be same , in equipment i'm putting money on sff for standarization but i believe that0( in a pic i've seen) they're using old pcs, maybe para's will win in equipment but sff is just too vague to judge on , if para and sff fight in some simulated world only thing that will be an affector is karma and luck

SFF is a airborne force and the 1 Archers are their SOF/Commando Component.
Also 1 Archers were using the 2000$ helmet

 

[NotASussyBoi]

SFF is a airborne force and the 1 Archers are their SOF/Commando Component.
Also 1 Archers were using the 2000$ helmet

alright sorry for the other shit information in advance, also any idea if they use plate carriers ?

 

[SGOperative]

alright sorry for the shit information in advance

They are some ballsy guys tho

 

[ALBY]

I always maintain that we should revert back to the original ones, 9, 10 & 1, maybe keep 21 as reserve, 2,4 & 11 have good reputation too, but keep it limited to three battalions.

Anyways, I think some time ago many of us agreed that RAW should have a unit like ISA, but I think that's a bit misunderstood. ISA could've been a part of CIA, so why US army? That's because it concentrates only on the tactical part of intel gathering which JSOC is interested in. USA saw ground intelligence contingencies as needing improvement if future special operations were to be successful, as the CIA did not always provide all the information needed. Former Delta operator Pete Blabber says that the currency of spies is information, and the highest-value currency is information that no one else knows about. Once a spy acquires it, he’s trained to lock it up, guard it, and only give it to others for something in return. As a result, spies tend to overcompartmentalize their most credible information. That's why ISA was created, to substitute for CIA whenever it could because obviously they cant keep CIA out of picture. I have heard that the closest we have to ISA in terms of roles and capabilities is 1st Archers of SFF. Again dont know how true

What does this 1st Archers do?Seems that it is created comparatively recently in respect to other vikas units.Also what’s the demographic composition of Archers ?Is it exclusively Gurkhas and NE people?

 

[SGOperative]

What does this 1st Archers do?Seems that it is created comparatively recently in respect to other vikas units.Also what’s the demographic composition of Archers ?Is it exclusively Gurkhas and NE people?

From my memory Shatrujeet mentioned that 1 Vikas is the commando component of SFF, and read it on this website that it contains decent number of Gurkhas

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[Jedi Operator]

CISU is the one for prepping up intelligence for battlefield and also you cant just draw parrales with different countries just like that.

Also if you keep 21 as a reserve who will be going deep in jungles and on the borders with China in Arunachal.

prior to 21, their still used to be such ops carried by 1, and SF should not be geographically inclined especially for CI/CT. C'mon man.
Instead use them for strategic purpose

Also The military intelligence community is not geared to support low visibility counterterror threat situations.

 

[SGOperative]

prior to 21, their still used to be such ops carried by 1, and SF should not be geographically inclined especially for CI/CT. C'mon man.
Instead use them for strategic purpose

Define Strategic Purpose

 

[Jedi Operator]

Define Strategic Purpose

To use them in areas where they achieve a long term impact and not just smoke a bunch of idiots whose cadres are going to send more like them anyway. To do this infiltrate their cells and take the ringleaders out, the rest of them fall like a pack of cards.
So instead of CI/CT ops do more foreign internal defense, train locals to support you and act as an action arm of foreign policy. In India, SF are looked like QRT for RR and Assam Rifles.

 

[SGOperative]

To use them in areas where they achieve a long term impact and not just smoke a bunch of idiots whose cadres are going to send more like them anyway. To do this infiltrate their cells and take the ringleaders out, the rest of them fall like a pack of cards.
So instead of CI/CT ops do more foreign internal defense, train locals to support you and act as an action arm of foreign policy. In India, SF are looked like QRT for RR and Assam Rifles.

What makes you think they aint doing that? Also SF is usually involved when HVTs are present or the situation becomes complex during CI/CT ops this does not involve the actions of 9/4/11/21/12 doing their regular stuff all around the year.

GWOT was a CI/CT ops

 

[Jedi Operator]

What makes you think they aint doing that? Also SF is usually involved when HVTs are present or the situation becomes complex during CI/CT ops this does not involve the actions of 9/4/11/21/12 doing their regular stuff all around the year.

GWOT was a CI/CT ops

I never said, they aren't already doing that. Globally, special forces are being used to further national interests of parent countries. As a matter of fact, their employment is an extension of the foreign policy of the concerned country. The leading nations employing special forces proactively transfrontiers are perhaps the USA, Russia, UK and Israel. US Special Forces (USSF) are operating in some 200 countries. And we are doing CI/CT ops in our own country. That's the difference.'

India has a reasonable number of special forces but, unfortunately, the hierarchal understanding of their trans-border employment is the short distance, physical or direct type of actions executed on a unit/sub-unit basis. There is no concept of special forces being used abroad other than in a conventional war and UN missions.

 

[SGOperative]

I never said, they aren't already doing that. Globally, special forces are being used to further national interests of parent countries. As a matter of fact, their employment is an extension of the foreign policy of the concerned country. The leading nations employing special forces proactively transfrontiers are perhaps the USA, Russia, UK and Israel. US Special Forces (USSF) are operating in some 200 countries. And we are doing CI/CT ops in our own country. That's the difference.'

India has a reasonable number of special forces but, unfortunately, the hierarchal understanding of their trans-border employment is the short distance, physical or direct type of actions executed on a unit/sub-unit basis. There is no concept of special forces being used abroad other than in a conventional war and UN missions.

The Foreign policy decides that, and with time we see and increase of Indian personal in foreign countries especially Africa and Indian Ocean this is to FID.
Also you are only lurking around FID, is that all SOF is supposed to do? We do COIN in our country because thats where terrorist are, The porkies arent infiltrating in Africa so we go there to kill them they are here.

Military is a tool for the Nation out of many other which are available, the GOI decides the tool to achieve a result. And It may or may not be kinetic always.

 

[Jedi Operator]

The Foreign policy decides that, and with time we see and increase of Indian personal in foreign countries especially Africa and Indian Ocean this is to FID.
Also you are only lurking around FID, is that all SOF is supposed to do? We do COIN in our country because thats where terrorist are, The porkies arent infiltrating in Africa so we go there to kill them they are here.

uffff, I'll leave it to someone else to explain you after this. Where did I only talk about FID? By the way for US SF FID is the key goal, but India aint the US. Presence in foreign countries is not only FID, you keep ranting that we do COIN here cause terrorists come here, it's about their leadership, that's in Pakistan and in Myanmar, dont think these tactical cross border raids do much to have a strategic impact. These terrorist crossing borders are not the top leaders, why would they come and risk it. We have to cut the heads of snakes to stop infiltration. That's the difference between tactical & strategic. Kill these many dudes in daily encounters and keep doin that. That's tactical....short term victory after that they come again.
Verses, strategic victory is when you stop them completely, stop their finances, stop their radio networks, stop the chain of ringleaders. That can only be done low profile. In India we have this mindset that such ops are meant for RAW, even Vikram Sood mentioned that RAW is mearly an intel gathering unit. Read that book I mentioned before about CIT-X & CIT-J called 'Operation Trojan' , such ops should've been done by SF and SG has it's own role.