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Not all hostage rescues are the same same. NSG didn’t make sense in Africa

and since ~2015 NSG has had a unit permanently forward deployed in JK for training JKP/CRPF and also if needed for HR- IA just refuses to use them
Why would IA do favours for a force raised by big ego IPS officers?

Havent u seen the video of IPS officer slapping SPG guy?

Develop your own base and be there. Who is stopping NSG.. There is no buffet service going on
 

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Pretty sure I’ve watched every documentary on 26/11 there is. Aside from the slow mobilisation of NSG there’s not much to fault them for really. They cleared 1000+ rooms spread over 3 locations fighting unknown enemy and rescuing unknown civilians with the possibility of IEDs in every corner (remember they’d already blown up a local taxi on the night)
No the terrorist location was pretty clear from the beginning. It wasnt like they were playing hide and seek.

They were roaming around freely.

Rooms could have been searched later in sanitisation op.
 

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NSG would never even reach the target in a thick jungle forget about rescuing in the first place.
Well, it can’t go alone. That’s why it would be best if 21 Para and NSG work together for this.
Secondly, I am shocked you have no idea about Para rescuing civilians in kashmir in ops.
Can’t help if almost all of the only avalible info on these Kashmir Operations is from gallantry citation. I have been very unlucky finding literature.
 

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Well, it can’t go alone. That’s why it would be best if 21 Para and NSG work together for this.
Can’t help if almost all of the only avalible info on these Kashmir Operations is from gallantry citation. I have been very unlucky finding literature.
Then you would be shocked to know even RR does it.
 

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Why would IA do favours for a force raised by big ego IPS officers?

Havent u seen the video of IPS officer slapping SPG guy?

Develop your own base and be there. Who is stopping NSG.. There is no buffet service going on
That was IPS slapping state police not SPG- either way pathetic nonsense

I’m not saying anyone needs to do favours just be professional- you have a specialised CT force to hand (entirely made up of IA personnel incidentally) and you refuse to even call them

remember that the same esteemed officers that thought it better to use an Infantry battalion to sweep pathankot airbase than the CTTF from Delhi.
 

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No the terrorist location was pretty clear from the beginning. It wasnt like they were playing hide and seek.

They were roaming around freely.

Rooms could have been searched later in sanitisation op.
That’s not particularly true because the terrorists were using the staff alleyways to move around and NSG didn’t have any floor plans to hand.

I won’t argue with the SOPs, NSG did what was asked of them, no other force in india would’ve been anywhere close. MARCOs by all accounts made a complete botch of their effort hence why they were completely pulled out when NSG turned up but I won’t go into that
 

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That was IPS slapping state police not SPG- either way pathetic nonsense

I’m not saying anyone needs to do favours just be professional- you have a specialised CT force to hand (entirely made up of IA personnel incidentally) and you refuse to even call them

remember that the same esteemed officers that thought it better to use an Infantry battalion to sweep pathankot airbase than the CTTF from Delhi.
That was wrong in Pathankot. But considering the terrain i would never put NSG in North eastern forest.

They have no expertise in the terrain.

If its urban environment or full on airborne op then yes but then also you would need 21 to provide support for the helis.
 

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That was wrong in Pathankot. But considering the terrain i would never put NSG in North eastern forest.

They have no expertise in the terrain.

If its urban environment or full on airborne op then yes but then also you would need 21 to provide support for the helis.
Lol I’ve said about 5 times now I would only use NSG if it was a complex op in urban settings. they would be a bit out of their depth in the jungles but they have been training for DA in forests for a few years now

all I do know is PARA SF are no hostage rescue force. A raid in a deep jungle side send them in but I wouldn’t have much confidence in them doing a complex HR at all and it’s unfair to expect that given that that isn’t their mandate
 

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That’s not particularly true because the terrorists were using the staff alleyways to move around and NSG didn’t have any floor plans to hand.

I won’t argue with the SOPs, NSG did what was asked of them, no other force in india would’ve been anywhere close. MARCOs by all accounts made a complete botch of their effort hence why they were completely pulled out when NSG turned up but I won’t go into that
There is no way you can take 12 hours to kill 2 terrorist in one op and few days to wind up another op.

There is no other unit is not an excuse for the funding

And such units success is time based not result based.

Pak Army school attacks counter attack was launched in few minutes you know why.. coz there is no time in such ops and still they failed.
 

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Lol I’ve said about 5 times now I would only use NSG if it was a complex op in urban settings. they would be a bit out of their depth in the jungles but they have been training for DA in forests for a few years now

all I do know is PARA SF are no hostage rescue force. A raid in a deep jungle side send them in but I wouldn’t have much confidence in them doing a complex HR at all and it’s unfair to expect that given that that isn’t their mandate
forget nsg i wont even say any other para sf unit would succeed in north east except 21.

The reason being is the same reason we got our ass kicked in sri lanka.

You have to see the terrain to have an idea. Training in MP forests is not the same.
 

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There is no way you can take 12 hours to kill 2 terrorist in one op and few days to wind up another op.

There is no other unit is not an excuse for the funding

And such units success is time based not result based.

Pak Army school attacks counter attack was launched in few minutes you know why.. coz there is no time in such ops and still they failed.
I’ve read that the IB intercepts had already fed to the NSG by the second day that the 2 at the Taj were cut off from the hostages so the mission then was to try and capture them alive so what was the rush?

Nariman house is a different story because that was a legitimate hostage situation where the rabbi and his wife were being held by the terrorists who were (via their handlers in Karachi) trying to negotiate with the GoI to get the release of Kasab so it made no sense whatsoever to storm. To GoI’s credit they refused to negotiate with those sh!yes and sent NSG in when they heard the executions on the second night.
 

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Lol I’ve said about 5 times now I would only use NSG if it was a complex op in urban settings. they would be a bit out of their depth in the jungles but they have been training for DA in forests for a few years now

all I do know is PARA SF are no hostage rescue force. A raid in a deep jungle side send them in but I wouldn’t have much confidence in them doing a complex HR at all and it’s unfair to expect that given that that isn’t their mandate
And to be honest i even have doubt on the NSG weapon profile for the North eastern jungles and the camo and equipment.

Do you have any pics or videos to show case their training op in jungles?
 

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forget nsg i wont even say any other para sf unit would succeed in north east except 21.

The reason being is the same reason we got our ass kicked in sri lanka.

You have to see the terrain to have an idea. Training in MP forests is not the same.
Failing to catch a hiding rat= getting our asses kicked?
 

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read this also.. You have lots to learn buddy.

You will come to know why it is called the rebirth of Para SF and why and how Para SF won in kashmir from the lessons it learnt in IPKF.
I have read enuf about this. LTTE rats hid in jungles and lost many of their base camps. The reason why india failed to capture the rat that is Prabhakharan is that their intel was very poor Becuase LTTE commanders used to take cyanide pills after surrendering
 

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And to be honest i even have doubt on the NSG weapon profile for the North eastern jungles and the camo and equipment.

Do you have any pics or videos to show case their training op in jungles?
Nah I haven’t seen any videos of it, there are a few articles a few years back of NSG introducing a training module for jungle warfare in case of a jungle hostage situation involving Naxals and they were training with greyhounds.

there was that one pic from NSG’s last calendar of a team in DPM.

a lot of unknowns about NSG by design, we will have to see the next time they are called upon really.
 

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Pretty sure I’ve watched every documentary on 26/11 there is. Aside from the slow mobilisation of NSG there’s not much to fault them for really. They cleared 1000+ rooms spread over 3 locations fighting unknown enemy and rescuing unknown civilians with the possibility of IEDs in every corner (remember they’d already blown up a local taxi on the night)
A lot of people understate how much of a dangerous operation it was. The gold standard used to be the London embassy siege- this was 100x more complicated with better trained and armed adversary.
 

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