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Yeah typical BS

these devices only seem to malfunction in India, every other top unit has adopted them as standard issue equipment for the past decade plus

I wish they would just be honest and say they don’t have such stuff and or don’t know how to use it.
I think by mess ye means they are make the team inefficient with traffic in their ear. This is just a function of limited training wjtb the new kit. Unfortunately it's not plug and play.
 

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I think by mess ye means they are make the team inefficient with traffic in their ear. This is just a function of limited training wjtb the new kit. Unfortunately it's not plug and play.
Perhaps but like you said this is a failure of training, if they can’t see the value of enhanced operator-operator communication then more fool them. I’d be surprised to learn this though as experiences in JK should have given them sufficient exposure to that, NSG and SPG have had an operator communication policy for a while now

Plate carriers and badges seem to becoming quite common with NSG now, it seems also that they have increasingly abandoned the chest mounted pistol holsters for drop leg holsters (and hip too) but this trend of having the holster at the front of the thigh (I’ve seen it with Garuds and PARA SF too) just seems asinine and offers no benefits for some very obvious cons.
 

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Perhaps but like you said this is a failure of training, if they can’t see the value of enhanced operator-operator communication then more fool them. I’d be surprised to learn this though as experiences in JK should have given them sufficient exposure to that, NSG and SPG have had an operator communication policy for a while now



Plate carriers and badges seem to becoming quite common with NSG now, it seems also that they have increasingly abandoned the chest mounted pistol holsters for drop leg holsters (and hip too) but this trend of having the holster at the front of the thigh (I’ve seen it with Garuds and PARA SF too) just seems asinine and offers no benefits for some very obvious cons.
I agree found the positioning of the holster a bit weird, I guess the waist is the ideal place for a holster, drawing speed of the pistol can sometimes be the difference between life and death. Hope I can see para sf with this kind of gear and most importantly UNIFORMITY
 

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I think by mess ye means they are make the team inefficient with traffic in their ear. This is just a function of limited training wjtb the new kit. Unfortunately it's not plug and play.
By mess means in a CICT ops where you need quick reaction you can’t rely on super high tech weapons. These things are for special ops not CICT.
 

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Yeah typical BS

these devices only seem to malfunction in India, every other top unit has adopted them as standard issue equipment for the past decade plus

I wish they would just be honest and say they don’t have such stuff and or don’t know how to use it.
The integrated headsets he is talking about is those awkward single ear ones imo... Not COMTACS like 3M Peltor.
 

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the 4 para sf was suppourting the 5 ladakh scouts
In what? What warranted use of SF? And afaik, 4 Para don't operate along LAC. They are affiliated to the Northern command, and do their thing along LoC. If Para SF is mobilized there at all, it'll be the 1st or 2nd Para with the 50th Independent Parachute brigade. Or maybe 3rd.
 

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The integrated headsets he is talking about is those awkward single ear ones imo... Not COMTACS like 3M Peltor.
Don't think so, cause the single ear is seen with the regular troops as well, so it wouldn't be present in limited quantity with the SF. I guess the single ear ones are for regular ops and 3M types are for ops which are more tough/secret maybe
 

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Don't think so, cause the single ear is seen with the regular troops as well, so it wouldn't be present in limited quantity with the SF. I guess the single ear ones are for regular ops and 3M types are for ops which are more tough/secret maybe
Buddy if you believe that nonsense then you’re only deluding yourself.

you train as you fight, you fight as you know. You don’t ditch critical gear based on the mission, if PARA SF had COMTACs and knew how to use them they wouldn’t ever operate again without them.

So if they have them they don’t know how to use them or they make don’t have them. Either answer is mind blowing in 2020 for the most elite soldiers of the Indian army.
 

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In what? What warranted use of SF? And afaik, 4 Para don't operate along LAC. They are affiliated to the Northern command, and do their thing along LoC. If Para SF is mobilized there at all, it'll be the 1st or 2nd Para with the 50th Independent Parachute brigade. Or maybe 3rd.
They were mobilised there from depth areas to support 5 ladakh scouts who had been tasked to use force against the Chinese, but after the planning and all the talks started to give some positive outcomes and hence it wasn't executed
 

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In what? What warranted use of SF? And afaik, 4 Para don't operate along LAC. They are affiliated to the Northern command, and do their thing along LoC. If Para SF is mobilized there at all, it'll be the 1st or 2nd Para with the 50th Independent Parachute brigade. Or maybe 3rd.
Why would 1st or 3rd be use, 1st specialise in urban warfare and 3rd in desert warfare. 2,4,9 are mainly for high altitude warfare. Of the three any can be used based on a variety of factors
 

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Why would 1st or 3rd be use, 1st specialise in urban warfare and 3rd in desert warfare. 2,4,9 are mainly for high altitude warfare. Of the three any can be used based on a variety of factors
That argument is 20 years too old. As of right now, the 50th Brigade is in Ladakh, supporting 14th corps (i.e. they are on standby). No one specialises in a particular geographic location anymore. They are deployed in specific theaters is all.
 

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They were mobilised there from depth areas to support 5 ladakh scouts who had been tasked to use force against the Chinese, but after the planning and all the talks started to give some positive outcomes and hence it wasn't executed
Support in what exactly?
 

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Support in what exactly?
How do I know, had the operation been carried out then probably it would have been known. Of what I understand, it may have been possible that PLA would have had it's SF somewhere near the place where its regulars were holding position. So if a fight breaks out and PLA brings in their SF we should have ours. Or maybe just, we have a resource available, why not keep it ready.
 

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That argument is 20 years too old. As of right now, the 50th Brigade is in Ladakh, supporting 14th corps (i.e. they are on standby). No one specialises in a particular geographic location anymore. They are deployed in specific theaters is all.
How do you know that 50th parachute brigade is in Ladakh right now, or is it because of the LAC situation.
And the DBO incident had taken place 8-9 years ago
 
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