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I am talking about political officers they are only ethnic Tibetian.
Ya but you said they have no association with PARA SF and i am just showing that everyone who decides things are PARA SF and there are Gorkhas as a part of the unit too.
 

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So they should have done the Surgical strike in POK and Myanmar?
since our special forces ParaSF are already involved in ops in both north east and kashmir the army would send them. why Send new team of SF when you have equally capable force within the area
 

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since our special forces ParaSF are already involved in ops in both north east and kashmir the army would send them. why Send new team of SF when you have equally capable force within the area
Because this force was only meant for China to infiltrate Tibet incase of a war.But it was used in 84,71,Kargil or other operations just like Para SF.

I would think of the unit as equal to Para SF and not superior to them.

However,some scandals could have been avoided and i hope the cleaning has been done.

There is no gold medal for the best and there is no way to know that also but 9th Para is the most active SF unit in India.

They have been involved in every operation in North India in the past few decades.
 

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What scandals did they leaked our force detais to the chinese and what happened in 84 ? you mean the siachen operation or ????

Because this force was only meant for China to infiltrate Tibet incase of a war.But it was used in 84,71,Kargil or other operations just like Para SF.

I would think of the unit as equal to Para SF and not superior to them.

However,some scandals could have been avoided and i hope the cleaning has been done.

There is no gold medal for the best and there is no way to know that also but 9th Para is the most active SF unit in India.

They have been involved in every operation in North India in the past few decades.
 

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What scandals did they leaked our force detais to the chinese and what happened in 84 ? you mean the siachen operation or ????
You can google about the scandals..I would not like to discuss them on the thread.

Op Bluestar also involved SG according to rumours.1 PARA SF Team was pinned down and they killed the leader according to some rumours.
 

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Because SG is made up of the elite of the elie (already seasoned SF operators) and yes, they also have pretty free budget.
But not the same motivation perhaps as lets say the 9th PARA or 21st PARA due to the later constantly being at war against terror.

I think the most important operation in the recent times was the surgical strike and the SG was not a part of it which has been confirmed by the republic day medal announcements.

Hence,i would not rate the SG over any other PARA SF Unit.

It is a highly over rated unit.It is just another SF unit like Para SF but due to the secrecy involved SF fanboys have made it their favorite otherwise the kind of scandals it has been involved in the less we talk of them..the better.
 

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But not the same motivation perhaps as lets say the 9th PARA or 21st PARA due to the later constantly being at war against terror.

I think the most important operation in the recent times was the surgical strike and the SG was not a part of it which has been confirmed by the republic day medal announcements.

Hence,i would not rate the SG over any other PARA SF Unit.
I understand what you are saying bro but SG wouldn't have been part of the surgical strikes anyway, they are directly under the command of R&AW/PMO and used for specific clandestine ops, the surgical strikes were right in the PARA (SF)'s playbook hence why they were chosen.

99.99% of SG's ops will simply never be known to us.

SG is made up mostly of highly expereinced PARA (SF) operators anyway so it goes without saying SG is a cut above.

the kind of scandals it has been involved in the less we talk of them..the better.
AFAIK those relate to SFF, not SG per se.
 

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I understand what you are saying bro but SG wouldn't have been part of the surgical strikes anyway, they are directly under the command of R&AW/PMO and used for specific clandestine ops, the surgical strikes were right in the PARA (SF)'s playbook hence why they were chosen.

99.99% of SG's ops will simply never be known to us.

SG is made up mostly of highly expereinced PARA (SF) operators anyway so it goes without saying SG is a cut above.


AFAIK those relate to SFF, not SG per se.
A cut above but in a peace deployment mostly with the majority of them in Uttarakhand and small numbers in Leh,Ladakh or North east.

With most of them not with the right mindset as shown in the scandals hence i see a lack of motivation which somehow proves not many field deployments.

9 Para on the other hand..saving kashmir every single day..365 days a year.
 

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Army on shopping spree, commandos to get deadlier

Rajat Pandit| TNN | Updated: Mar 1, 2017, 10.30 AM IST
  • Defence ministry sources said "restricted" tenders have been issued to select foreign arms companies for acquisition of new assault rifles.
  • The elite Special Forces in the 1.3-million Army constitute just nine Para-Special Forces and five Para (Airborne) battalions.
  • The need for lighter, new-generation weapons was felt during the crossborder raid.






After conducting "successful cross-border surgical strikes" against terrorist hubs, first in Myanmar in June 2015 and then in Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir in September 2016, India is now fast-tracking some long-delayed modernisation of the Army's Special Forces to make them even more lethal and mobile for clandestine warfare.

Defence ministry sources on Tuesday said "restricted" tenders have been issued to select foreign arms companies for acquisition of new assault rifles, sniper rifles, general purpose machine guns, light-weight rocket-launchers, tactical shotguns, pistols, night-vision devices and ammunition.

"Seven tenders or RFPs (request for proposals) were issued last week to American, Israeli, Swedish and other companies for acquisition of the specialised weaponry on a fast-track basis. Separately in a different capital acquisition project, trials are in progress to acquire over 120 light strike vehicles, which can be carried by helicopters, for the Special Forces," said a source.

This follows soon after India inked a flurry of emergency deals worth around Rs 20,000 crore for ammunition and spares for the Army, Navy and IAF to ensure they are ready to go to battle at short notice, and sustain the high-tempo operations for at least 10 days, as was reported earlier by TOI.

The elite Special Forces in the 1.3-million Army constitute just nine Para-Special Forces and five Para (Airborne) battalions, each with 620 soldiers selected after arduous training to stretch their mental and physical capabilities to the limit.

So, the numbers and costs involved in the new set of procurements are relatively much smaller. The tender for new 9mm pistols, with silencers, for instance, is for just about 500 pieces, while the one for assault rifles is restricted to 1,120 for now. "If the new weapons prove effective, larger repeat orders will be placed at a later stage," said a source.

The Special Forces already have specialised weaponry, ranging from Israeli 5.56mm TAR-21 Tavor assault rifles and 7.62mm Galil sniper rifles to American M4A1 carbines and Swedish Carl Gustav rocket launchers, as well as equipment.
But the need for lighter, new-generation weapons was felt during the cross-border raid against the camps run by north-eastern insurgent groups in Myanmar on June 9, 2015. The Indian commandos, carrying huge weapon loads including rocket launchers and flame-throwers, had to quietly cross over six km of the thickly-forested terrain to reach their targets and hit them with full force under the cover of darkness, and then take an alternate route back to evade detection.
"Though the mission achieved its objectives, the Army subsequently conveyed to the country's top political authorities that lighter equipment was required for the Special Forces. Light-weight or disposable rocket launchers, for instance, would help in faster mobility with lesser weapon loads," said another source.
There is, however, still no progress in establishing the desperately-needed Special Operations Command to bring together the disparate Special Forces of the Army, Navy, IAF, Cabinet Secretariat and home ministry under a unified command and control structure for larger strategic objectives. With no service as yet ready to part with its Special Forces, the defence ministry is contemplating a tri-service Special Operations Division as the first step towards having a full-fledged command, as earlier reported by TOI.
 

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Replacement/ Alternative for CG RCL has been the issue for SF since it's quite a heavy weapon to carry for a long duration of time in the Field apart from Black Blast issue when fire from enclosed position like Bunkers


However, C 90 is also in service in limited numbers.
 
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