Indian Special Forces (archived)

[WolfPack86]

Exclusive Report: India's deadliest force is Marcos commandos

 

[WolfPack86]

Hi Wolfpack, there used to be many videos like that Sabru Foxtrot guy who made short videos. Do you have a list of bookmarks of such videos, specifically Indians who make such videos?

I posted list of several videos of various indian special forces and here is the you tube link https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=indian+special+forces+sabru+foxtrot

 

[abingdonboy]

Indian Navy VBSS team, shockingly they are still using the f*cking Sterling 9mm!

 

[armyofhind]

Indian Navy VBSS team, shockingly they are still using the f*cking Sterling 9mm!

I think they use the Sterling only to train muzzle awareness and such.
They have been seen before with Mp5, Amogh, regular AKMs and even Tavors I think.
Look at the rest of the gear. Pretty much on Par with other western special units.
Its only prudent that they'll take Up to date weaponry to combat as well.

 

[aditya g]

For argument sake, let's assume this is the weapon they intend to use in real ops.

Whats the problem? It is small and accurate for the close spaced. It can also be fired from the hip unlike other firearms.

@Kunal Biswas

Indian Navy VBSS team, shockingly they are still using the f*cking Sterling 9mm!

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its simple and a fun weapon to shoot ..

For argument sake, let's assume this is the weapon they intend to use in real ops.

Whats the problem? It is small and accurate for the close spaced. It can also be fired from the hip unlike other firearms.

@Kunal Biswas

 

[rkhanna]

"Whats the problem? It is small and accurate for the close spaced"


The Reliability is great. The Accuracy is mediocre at best. With the Magazine Sticking out at a right angle imaging assaulting through the close quarters of a Ship.

 

[armyofhind]

"Whats the problem? It is small and accurate for the close spaced"


The Reliability is great. The Accuracy is mediocre at best. With the Magazine Sticking out at a right angle imaging assaulting through the close quarters of a Ship.

The difference in Accuracy with a more modern SMG, say the Mp5 isnt so significant as to cause a huge difference.
In a ship, The max straight sightline you'll get is probably around 25 mtrs.

But like I said, these sterlings are probably only used to train.
VBSS teams have been seen with more modern and better weapons before.

 

[rkhanna]

PS - I have seen a number of pictures of Indian VBSS / Naval Infantry teams with MP-5s and Tavors as well. (sometimes the pictures get passed around as MARCOS)

For example This one

IN VBSS Teams during Malabar 2016. VBSS teams are native to and assigned to a Ship. So I assume the latest and shiniest capital ships in the IN would have the best gear.

 

[abingdonboy]

I think they use the Sterling only to train muzzle awareness and such.
They have been seen before with Mp5, Amogh, regular AKMs and even Tavors I think.
Look at the rest of the gear. Pretty much on Par with other western special units.
Its only prudent that they'll take Up to date weaponry to combat as well.

Still yet to see a single picture of an IN VBSS team with weaponary other than the Sterling 9mms.

For argument sake, let's assume this is the weapon they intend to use in real ops.

Whats the problem? It is small and accurate for the close spaced. It can also be fired from the hip unlike other firearms.

@Kunal Biswas

The fact is, it is a highly outdated weapon with poor ergonomics/handling qualities (what you need in the tight confines of a ship is a magazine sticking out of the side lol!) , a heavy weight, poor accuracy, no provision to fit sights, flashlights or other accesories (a neccesity in the close quarters of ships).

It's embarassing we are justifying using a WWR era weapon in 2016. It would cost almost nothing to get a more modern weapon (ICG are usign AMOGH, IN VBSS can follow suit or go for the Tavor as the MARCOs have). This is just endemic of the backwards mindset that still exists within the MoD and certain quarters of the military, it is not just embarassing but it highlights how the security of the nation is not taken seriously.

PS - I have seen a number of pictures of Indian VBSS / Naval Infantry teams with MP-5s and Tavors as well. (sometimes the pictures get passed around as MARCOS)

For example This one

IN VBSS Teams during Malabar 2016. VBSS teams are native to and assigned to a Ship. So I assume the latest and shiniest capital ships in the IN would have the best gear.

Still not convinced these are IN VBSS (would love to be proven wrong), everything screams MARCOs.

 

[abingdonboy]

Counter Assualt Team (CAT) members of PM's SPG detail:

 

[ghost]

Still yet to see a single picture of an IN VBSS team with weaponary other than the Sterling 9mms.



The fact is, it is a highly outdated weapon with poor ergonomics/handling qualities (what you need in the tight confines of a ship is a magazine sticking out of the side lol!) , a heavy weight, poor accuracy, no provision to fit sights, flashlights or other accesories (a neccesity in the close quarters of ships).

It's embarassing we are justifying using a WWR era weapon in 2016. It would cost almost nothing to get a more modern weapon (ICG are usign AMOGH, IN VBSS can follow suit or go for the Tavor as the MARCOs have). This is just endemic of the backwards mindset that still exists within the MoD and certain quarters of the military, it is not just embarassing but it highlights how the security of the nation is not taken seriously.


Still not convinced these are IN VBSS (would love to be proven wrong), everything screams MARCOs.

Yep,those are marcos .
Four Indian naval ships including two stealth frigates and elite Marine Commandos (Marcos) will take part in a trilateral maritime exercise Malabar-16, starting from Friday, that will see India, US and Japan playing war games in seas off Japan.http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...s-japan-to-play-war-games-from-friday/278235/
VBSS team have indian navy patch on them:

Whoever does the acquisition for personal combat gear for Indian navy does a good job,to give the credit where it is due. However ,they seem to have uncanny affection towards sterling .(which is pathetic IMHO)

They should have combination of sub machine guns,sniper rifle, assault rifles and lmg. For sub machine guns, they can buy POF mp5 ,a good gun overall:

,I would have loved to say msmc or anamika or whatever but ARDE keep on designing for decade and then comes with low quality shit.Regarding assault rifles ,keeping the nature of their task and environment in which they operate nothing else except tavor ,even though it's expensive but IMHO there is no alternative to a good bullpup for their requirement.

One more pic of marcos ,with similar medic patch:

 

[armyofhind]

Still not convinced these are IN VBSS (would love to be proven wrong), everything screams MARCOs.

MARCOS always wear an arm patch, whenever in BDUs.
And I dont think MARCOS would train with ordinary sailors... no matter which country they are from.

Anyway, If you look at pictures of the Malabar Ex, you would see separate pictures for MARCOS where they did dive training with SEALs.
Also if taking into account the secretive nature of MARCOS operators, I dont think they would let their faces be shown on camera. In fact I think it isnt even allowed.

 

[Bornubus]

Para

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[Spectribution]

Yep,those are marcos .
Four Indian naval ships including two stealth frigates and elite Marine Commandos (Marcos) will take part in a trilateral maritime exercise Malabar-16, starting from Friday, that will see India, US and Japan playing war games in seas off Japan.http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...s-japan-to-play-war-games-from-friday/278235/
VBSS team have indian navy patch on them:

Whoever does the acquisition for personal combat gear for Indian navy does a good job,to give the credit where it is due. However ,they seem to have uncanny affection towards sterling .(which is pathetic IMHO)

They should have combination of sub machine guns,sniper rifle, assault rifles and lmg. For sub machine guns, they can buy POF mp5 ,a good gun overall:

,I would have loved to say msmc or anamika or whatever but ARDE keep on designing for decade and then comes with low quality shit.Regarding assault rifles ,keeping the nature of their task and environment in which they operate nothing else except tavor ,even though it's expensive but IMHO there is no alternative to a good bullpup for their requirement.

One more pic of marcos ,with similar medic patch:

Crappy paki MP5. Easily get better variants from OEM. BTW the new helmets are rocking it!

 

[Spectribution]

Best replacement

Ideal for CQB. Light, can be fired by one hand, swings with arm.

 

[Bornubus]

Terribly failed in trials.

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[Spectribution]

We already use MX4. Even SWAT teams have them now.

 

[ghost]

Crappy paki MP5. Easily get better variants from OEM. BTW the new helmets are rocking it!

It was a sarcastic dig at OFB and ARDE.

 

[armyofhind]

We already use MX4. Even SWAT teams have them now.

Doesnt necessarily mean that its a good weapon.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/dud-guns-border-security-force-jawans-replaced/1/173289.html