Indian Sniper Equipment & Tactics

[Hari Sud]

WHY BUY VICTRIX SCORPIO?!!

Indian procurement system is probably worse than most: I came across news that Indian Army commanders can buy a small amount of weapons and equipment under emergency procurement powers. That’s good but I can only see corruption or incompetence.

Buying 30 or so Victrix Scorpio (each costs close to $10,000 with all the accessories) makes absolutely no sense when money is the limiting factor. You can buy 50 Sako TRG 42 or MRAD or AW with the same amount and get the same performance. Victrix is not even tested in battle!

Also, which other country has bought Victrix?! No one. Won’t that raise suspicion in Indian anti-corruption office? Whole world uses Sako, AI, Berett, Remington, PGM and without any trials super-expensive Victrix shows up as winner! Berretta is Italian Company and known to have indulged in corruption to secure orders. I am sure India knows Italians well by now.

I have similar doubts about procurement of overpriced Beretta MX-4 few years ago by India. These procurements smell badly of foul play.

‘if the Victfix is that bad then many nations will not be using it. Finland’s SAKO sniper rifle is good but not as good. There are comparable Indian rifles.

 

[rkhanna]

‘if the Victfix is that bad then many nations will not be using it. Finland’s SAKO sniper rifle is good but not as good. There are comparable Indian rifles.

There is a Comparable rifle made in India to the SAKO? Right now ? Which one ? And at the time of the order ?

 

[Wisemarko]

‘if the Victfix is that bad then many nations will not be using it. Finland’s SAKO sniper rifle is good but not as good. There are comparable Indian rifles.

Which nations use Victrix? Where did you come up with “not as good” results? In what war is Victrix used operationally? Sako, AI, Barrett, Remington, McMilan TAC, PGM are used currently in almost all the troubled spots in the world by Western armies.

Italian army itself uses Sako-42 as primary sniper rifle.

All these rifles have accuracy in Sub MOA but Sako costs 40% less.

Key differentiators are quality of Sniper training, type of scope and quality of ammunition.

Wouldn’t you be suspicious if your general bought a weapon without any trial that no one else has bought but costs almost double?!

 

[Hari Sud]

Which nations use Victrix? Where did you come up with “not as good” results? In what war is Victrix used operationally? Sako, AI, Barrett, Remington, McMilan TAC, PGM are used currently in almost all the troubled spots in the world by Western armies.

Italian army itself uses Sako-42 as primary sniper rifle.

All these rifles have accuracy in Sub MOA but Sako costs 40% less.

Key differentiators are quality of Sniper training, type of scope and quality of ammunition.

Wouldn’t you be suspicious if your general bought a weapon without any trial that no one else has bought but costs almost double?!

You are a SAKO salesman. You have to find faults with everything else.

 

[Wisemarko]

You are a SAKO salesman. You have to find faults with everything else.

Both Sako and Victrix are owned by Beretta so sales person wouldn’t matter, would it?
Next time have better information before responding.

 

[Lonewarrior]

WHY BUY VICTRIX SCORPIO?!!

Indian procurement system is probably worse than most: I came across news that Indian Army commanders can buy a small amount of weapons and equipment under emergency procurement powers. That’s good but I can only see corruption or incompetence.

Buying 30 or so Victrix Scorpio (each costs close to $10,000 with all the accessories) makes absolutely no sense when money is the limiting factor. You can buy 50 Sako TRG 42 or MRAD or AW with the same amount and get the same performance. Victrix is not even tested in battle!

Also, which other country has bought Victrix?! No one. Won’t that raise suspicion in Indian anti-corruption office? Whole world uses Sako, AI, Berett, Remington, PGM and without any trials super-expensive Victrix shows up as winner! Berretta is Italian Company and known to have indulged in corruption to secure orders. I am sure India knows Italians well by now.

I have similar doubts about procurement of overpriced Beretta MX-4 few years ago by India. These procurements smell badly of foul play.

For the first time since the acquisition of Scorpios, I have seen someone with doubts.

Well I think the sole reason you're having these doubts are because you have never been with an Italian chick.
And if you have then you know why Victrix got the contract.

Another funny fact about this.
Just few months after Northern Command got their snipers, Para SF also placed a small order for an off the shelf rifle.
And interestingly it was Sako TRG 42.

 

[cyclops]

IMHO we seriously-seriously-seriously need a specialised Scout Sniper type program that is optimized for Indian conditions.

Highly trained specialist military personnel of specific ranks that can operate both independently and can be integrated into different battalions and/or fire assault teams for specific mission types, among other things.

Here's a study done by the US Navy after they found out that marines were washing out of the scout sniper course at a higher rate as compared to previous years.

It highlights the personality types, ranks, age, etc that correlationally result in successful (different parts of the USMC SS program) USMC Scout Sniper Course graduates.

Leveraging non-cognitive testing to predict success at USMC Scout Sniper Course

calhoun.nps.edu

 

[Lonewarrior]

IMHO we seriously-seriously-seriously need a Scout Sniper type program that is optimized for Indian conditions.

Highly trained specialist military personnel of specific ranks that can operate both independently and can be integrated into different battalions and/or fire assault teams for specific mission types, among other things.

Here's a study done by the US Navy after they found out that marines were washing out of the scout sniper course at a higher rate as compared to previous years.

It highlights the personality types, ranks, age, etc that correlationally result in successful USMC Scout Sniper Course graduates.

Leveraging non-cognitive testing to predict success at USMC Scout Sniper Course

calhoun.nps.edu

As of now anything with the word sniper in it is a complete mess in Indian military, be it personnel, equipment, training or doctrine.
But hopefully things are changing. Indeed it will take time, but it will improve for sure.

And if I'm not wrong then scout sniping is one of the intended role of Ghatak Platoon. Combine Rangers, Scout Snipers and Pathfinders; and you will have Ghatak. Albeit they also need adequate personnel, equipment and training.

 

[Shaitan]

.338 Sniper LAC

 

[Vicky7622]

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.338 Sniper LAC

whole gillie suit in camo why the rifle is draped in black

 

[Chinmoy]

whole gillie suit in camo why the rifle is draped in black

Because it was a photo op. Just a demo for RM and press. If they had camouflaged it, how would have anyone gauged the equipment.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Rifle is so new, it seemed was taken out of packing for photo ops

 

[Immanuel]

Rifle is so new, it seemed was taken out of packing for photo ops

No just routine field maintenance, that's a professional who treats his baby with respect. He will hopefully edge his name in the league of legends soon.

 

[itsme]

Some one ID the model please...................

 

[armyofhind]

Some one ID the model please...................

Its a SAKO TRG 42

 

[Bleh]

 

[ezsasa]

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and on .338 lapua magnum.

With eye on Pakistan, Indian Army snipers to use lethal .338 Sako TRG 42 rifles

The Sako TRG 42 sniper rifle is considered one of the most accurate and trustworthy weapons worldwide.

newsable.asianetnews.com

IA's Sako TRG-42s have come now.
assuming this order is different from that of Para-SF order received last year.

combined order was supposed to be for 6000 sniper rifles, as per news in 2019
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Indian Army snipers get Sako TRG-42

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

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IA's Sako TRG-42s have come now.
assuming this order is different from that of Para-SF order received last year.

combined order was supposed to be for 6000 sniper rifles, as per news in 2019
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Indian Army snipers get Sako TRG-42

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Any reference for the 6000 number?

 

[ezsasa]

Any reference for the 6000 number?

RFI from 2018

IA has released supplementary sniper rifle requirement from 6000 & 1800(with silencer and scope) & 27 lakh ammo.
i hope SSS is ready with their product. @padmaraj

(a) Calibre. 0.338 inch (8.6 mm).
(b) Ammunition. 338 inch (8.6mm) ammunition.
(c) Effective Range. Not less than 1200 metres.
(d) Accuracy. < 1 MoA.
(e) Service Life. 10 years/ 5000 rounds whichever is earlier.
(f) Weight (with Bipod, Empty Magazine and Telescopic Sight). Not more than 9 kgs + 10%.
(g) Overall Length (incl Flash Suppressor / Muzzle Brake). Not more than 1250mm + 10%.
(h) Telescopic Day Sight. The Sniper Rifle must be provided with a Telescopic Sight mountable on Picatinny Rails and following characteristics:-

(i) Variable Magnification. Not less than 12X.​

(ii) Field of View. Minimum four degrees.​

(iii) The Range Estimation should not be less than 1300 m.​

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Indian Army needs more snipers

Indian Army needs more snipers

www.newslaundry.com

 

[abingdonboy]

RFI from 2018

Indian Army needs more snipers

Indian Army needs more snipers

www.newslaundry.com

Isn’t this just an emergency procurement and not the full deal (like the Negev order)? 6000 rifles would be one of the largest sniper buys in the last few decades and I’m assuming would’ve gotten a lot more attention