Indian response to a Pakistani nuclear strike

[sgarg]

Mr Ray, the rise of al qaida and ISIS is a real challenge for India, due to massive sympathy for these extremists in Muslim population all over the world.

Pakistan is always prone to illogical and extreme methods to challenge India. Pakistan is also a proxy for China and Saudi both. It is hard to predict Pakistan's actions as its civil society fractures.

India needs very robust anti-terrorist methods including huge improvement in intelligence gathering.

 

[Kashif]

I think Indian doctrine has been changed from no first use to no first use against non nuclear states.

 

[tramp]

There is nothing called the ideology of Pakistan. It is only a figment of imagination taught as gospel truth to Pakistani youth. Pakistan would not have been made unless the US conspired with the UK to create a state that would act as the bulwark against commies search for blue water access through Afghanistan. Later developments prove this. Had there been no Pakistan, world history would have been something else, as the Soviets would have found easy access to Indian Ocean through a united India.

Ideology my foot.

When you are fighting Pakistan, you are fighting an ideology not a country. Most Indians do not realize that.

Fighting an ideology is far more difficult compared to fighting a country.

While Pakistan demeans Indians on an ideological basis, India has not been able to respond. This creates a serious problem for India as Pakistan has been able to leverage its civilian population which India has not been able to.

While this may not look like a problem in the short term, it will be quite serious in the long term unless the situation is rectified.

 

[sgarg]

There is nothing called the ideology of Pakistan. It is only a figment of imagination taught as gospel truth to Pakistani youth. Pakistan would not have been made unless the US conspired with the UK to create a state that would act as the bulwark against commies search for blue water access through Afghanistan. Later developments prove this. Had there been no Pakistan, world history would have been something else, as the Soviets would have found easy access to Indian Ocean through a united India.

Ideology my foot.

@tramp, Pakistan is holding together due to ideology and NOT due to UK or USA design. UK and USA have "channeled" the ideology to their benefit.

Political powers have taken advantage of organized religion for a long time starting with Jains in India and Romans in Rome.

It is very important for India to counter Pakistan's ideology, whatever it is.

 

[tramp]

It's a huge misconception that ideology is holding Pakistan together. It is the army with ISI as the instrument of enforcement. Pakistan would have come unstuck long back without the army's direct involvement in government. Balochistan would have gone its way long back unless the ISI kept making leaders 'disappear' without a trace. Ideology of Pakistan was a construct that began to be vigorously invoked from the time of Zia. But even that has not helped reining in the strong divisive forces in that country.
UK-US enterprise was what created Pakistan in the first place. We all know how much US is involved in that country ever since its formation. US wanted Pakistan as a bulwark against Soviet expansionism.
Jinnah never intended religious ideology to be the country's mainstay. He wanted Pakistan to be secular and that is clearly there in his first speech to Pakistani parliament. Z.A. Bhutto made the beginning for electoral reasons and Zia pushed it forward.

@tramp, Pakistan is holding together due to ideology and NOT due to UK or USA design. UK and USA have "channeled" the ideology to their benefit.

Political powers have taken advantage of organized religion for a long time starting with Jains in India and Romans in Rome.

It is very important for India to counter Pakistan's ideology, whatever it is.

 

[sgarg]

It's a huge misconception that ideology is holding Pakistan together. It is the army with ISI as the instrument of enforcement. Pakistan would have come unstuck long back without the army's direct involvement in government. Balochistan would have gone its way long back unless the ISI kept making leaders 'disappear' without a trace. Ideology of Pakistan was a construct that began to be vigorously invoked from the time of Zia. But even that has not helped reining in the strong divisive forces in that country.
UK-US enterprise was what created Pakistan in the first place. We all know how much US is involved in that country ever since its formation. US wanted Pakistan as a bulwark against Soviet expansionism.
Jinnah never intended religious ideology to be the country's mainstay. He wanted Pakistan to be secular and that is clearly there in his first speech to Pakistani parliament. Z.A. Bhutto made the beginning for electoral reasons and Zia pushed it forward.

Has any Muslim country succeeded in becoming secular??

Islam has always been forced on people by violence. Violence is the dominating creed of Islam.

Pakistan CANNOT be held by Army. No country can be held together by Army. Every country is held together by political forces, India included.

I have a feeling that Indian army officers have certain incorrect and illogical perceptions about State power. Army is an arm of the State, and NOT the State. Anybody who starts believing that Army is the State or reason of State power is completely mistaken and ignorant.

The Pakistan will fail because Pakistani Army is beset with the WRONG belief that it knows what is best for Pakistan. The society and Army of Pakistan have been moving in different directions for a long time. There is a disconnect between the two. The actual military power of a State decreases when Army and public start acting in conflict, and ultimately results in defeat.

No king can rule for long with a "professional" army. A band of mercenaries cannot provide a just and efficient rule. India is strong due to its strong political institutions, which are far stronger than people think.

Pakistan could be a UK project but UK cannot make Pakistan last forever.

 

[pkroyal]

@ sgarg
I have a feeling that Indian army officers have certain incorrect and illogical perceptions about State power. Army is an arm of the State, and NOT the State. Anybody who starts believing that Army is the State or reason of State power is completely mistaken and ignorant.

Your generalizations tickle my funny bone

We as officers are educated & trained on usage of instruments of state power.

No half wit pontificating on semi baked information can talk down to a large evolved mass of humanity which has been trained in the world's best of academies under Instructors who by far have made a name for themselves in Area Studies & International Relations including Political Science.:taunt1:

Ever heard of :-

Prof Rajan ( Oxford)
Prof Bhandari ( Cambridge)
Prof Kuldip Singh ( Oxford Scholar & blue in swimming)
Prof Keswani & a host of others who taught at NDA

 

[AbhishekDas]

First of all, India needs to deploy its two-tier Ballistic Missile Defence effectively with the ability to shoot down any type of Modern Ballistic Missile even with MiRV warheads, then India have to create a long and effective chain of most sophisticated radars with direct connection to the Interceptor Missile Battery, then we need to deploy several type of sattelites to track the coming Enemy missile within few seconds and then launch the Interceptor with high-accuracy and preceison strike that can kill any type of Ballistic missiles at an altitude of 90-100 km in the atmosphere. After successfully intercepting a Pakistani Ballistic Missile, India need to launch a Medium Range Ballistic Missile like Agni-2 or Agni-3 and with MiRV warheads if possible to avoid detection by Pakistani low ability radars, guide the missile with preceison strike and pinpoint accuracy through several computer systems and sattelites & then wait for the wipe out of Pakistan from International Map.......................JAI HIND......

 

[I_PLAY_BAD]

The consequences of the nuclear strike are frightening. Times 10 of that on hiroshima and nagasaki.

Probably if India wouldn't have turned nuclear, we would have had a better chance at per-empting a war with pak

We turned nuclear keeping the Chinese in mind. Pakistan mullahs misunderstood that.

 

[no smoking]

We turned nuclear keeping the Chinese in mind. Pakistan mullahs misunderstood that.

Chinese turned nuclear keeping the Russians and Americans in mind, did Indian politicians and generals misunderstand that?
If your answer is not, then no, Pakistan perfectly realises the meaning of a nuclearized India.

 

[Yumdoot]

^
Mao wanted rather stated that he wanted Nukes against the Americans. Soviets infact were approached for help which they did give initially. But Soviets later on withdrew support well before the 64 tests. The souring of relations was squarely due to the Chinese.

After that the Americans claimed (declassified) that Chinese did not have enough resources to test and then suddenly the tests come and it still remains uncertain how exactly the Chinese got the resources to test.

Then off course American weapons tech gets 'stolen' over several years and several projects. Something that no other nation has since been able to do and then off course there are no repercussions for this 'stealing'.

Today again the pendulum has moved to the other end just when the Chinese need the Energy resources that the Americans also need.

What does that say about you Chinese. We have a name for such people akis.

 

[I_PLAY_BAD]

Chinese turned nuclear keeping the Russians and Americans in mind, did Indian politicians and generals misunderstand that?
If your answer is not, then no, Pakistan perfectly realises the meaning of a nuclearized India.

That is a ridiculous answer. China was not having a nuclear-strike inviting conflicts with either of them but we did with China. Since China was our enemy at that time we were forced to develop nuclear weapons to deter both China and Pakistan from attacking India as a team.

Whereas Pakistan tried to compete with us. Pakis are very much convinced that conventionally India would crush them in no time. That is why they are trying to blackmail India with the nuclear question. Even if Pakistan has nuclear weapons it is no match even today for India as we are economically and politically far ahead than your RANDI.

 

[tarunraju]

I think Indian doctrine has been changed from no first use to no first use against non nuclear states.

That is correct. This was announced by the previous NSA.

 

[The enlightened]

That is correct. This was announced by the previous NSA.

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[no smoking]

That is a ridiculous answer. China was not having a nuclear-strike inviting conflicts with either of them but we did with China.

In 1951-1952, American officials publically discussed the possibility of nuke strike in mainland of China, Macarthur was one of them. According to Japanese information revealed in last 80s, the nuclear weapons were transported to Japan at the peak of Korea war. Americans cancelled the plan due to the fear a nuclear war with Russians.

http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/how-korean-war-almost-went-nuclear-180955324/?no-ist

Ironically, in 1969, it was American's turn to save Chinese from a nuclear threat from Moscow.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-planned-nuclear-attack-on-China-in-1969.html

Since China was our enemy at that time we were forced to develop nuclear weapons to deter both China and Pakistan from attacking India as a team.

Oh please. This enemy of yours had been concentrating most of her military resources on the her north and south borders against Soviet threat until 1989, barely leave nothing spare against India. After 1989, this enemy of yours was under the pressure from the east--Taiwan and USA. Your politicians and generals were fully aware this so called "enemy" had nothing to threat you.

You went to nuke not because Chinese or Pakistan. Instead, you took the step for only one reason: you want to be treated as a power.

Whereas Pakistan tried to compete with us. Pakis are very much convinced that conventionally India would crush them in no time. That is why they are trying to blackmail India with the nuclear question. Even if Pakistan has nuclear weapons it is no match even today for India as we are economically and politically far ahead than your RANDI.

Then, congratulations, you did a perfect job to narrow the military gap between you and Pakistan by going to nuclear. Yes, their nuclear force is on par with you. However, even a tiny fraction of their nuclear weapons can cause the damage on India than all of her conventional weapons together. A 1971 kind of victory became unthinkable for you. Good job.

 

[Mad Indian]

In 1951-1952, American officials publically discussed the possibility of nuke strike in mainland of China, Macarthur was one of them. According to Japanese information revealed in last 80s, the nuclear weapons were transported to Japan at the peak of Korea war. Americans cancelled the plan due to the fear a nuclear war with Russians.

http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/how-korean-war-almost-went-nuclear-180955324/?no-ist

Ironically, in 1969, it was American's turn to save Chinese from a nuclear threat from Moscow.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-planned-nuclear-attack-on-China-in-1969.html



Oh please. This enemy of yours had been concentrating most of her military resources on the her north and south borders against Soviet threat until 1989, barely leave nothing spare against India. After 1989, this enemy of yours was under the pressure from the east--Taiwan and USA. Your politicians and generals were fully aware this so called "enemy" had nothing to threat you.

You went to nuke not because Chinese or Pakistan. Instead, you took the step for only one reason: you want to be treated as a power.



Then, congratulations, you did a perfect job to narrow the military gap between you and Pakistan by going to nuclear. Yes, their nuclear force is on par with you. However, even a tiny fraction of their nuclear weapons can cause the damage on India than all of her conventional weapons together. A 1971 kind of victory became unthinkable for you. Good job.

Hey nincompoop, keep your bullshit to yourself. India has no choice but to have nukes when Chicoms developed nukes.


Besides, I doubt you even know what nukes can do. They are not as destructive as they are made to be and are highly over rated compared to their potential. Even if 100 nukes are lobbied at us, it still won't be enough to destroy us that's the ground truth.

Do you know what is actually devastating? Nuclear power plant meltdown. Compare the destruction caused by Chernobyl vs the Hiroshima Nagasaki. Both cities are thriving today while Chernobyl is basically a wasteland.


And, how is Pak going to deliver 100 nukes at us? We will have total air superiority and their missiles are mostly chicom made duds which we have enough CMs against anyway.

Its only a matter of time their bluff is called. Wait and watch.

 

[no smoking]

Hey nincompoop, keep your bullshit to yourself. India has no choice but to have nukes when Chicoms developed nukes.

No, kid, if India turned to nuke for Chinese, you should have your first nuclear bomb right after 1974. The fact that you explode your first nuclear bomb in 1998, 24 years late, tells a different story.

Besides, I doubt you even know what nukes can do. They are not as destructive as they are made to be and are highly over rated compared to their potential. Even if 100 nukes are lobbied at us, it still won't be enough to destroy us that's the ground truth.

Of course, for a keyboard warrior like you, a potential maximum death toll of 50 million Indian people is an acceptable cost of destroying Pakistan.

And, how is Pak going to deliver 100 nukes at us? We will have total air superiority and their missiles are mostly chicom made duds which we have enough CMs against anyway.

In 1990, the level of air superiority archived by US in Iraqi sky didn't stopped Iraqi from delivering their missiles which were build with 20 years old technologies. And your CMs have nothing to do with their missiles.

Its only a matter of time their bluff is called. Wait and watch.

Whatever technologies you can have, Americans and Chinese will make sure Pakistan have her answer.

 

[Mad Indian]

No, kid, if India turned to nuke for Chinese, you should have your first nuclear bomb right after 1974. The fact that you explode your first nuclear bomb in 1998, 24 years late, tells a different story.

This is why you should not have your head under your ass when thinking. India approved nuke program right after 1962. As I said, keep your bs to yourself.

Of course, for a keyboard warrior like you, a potential maximum death toll of 50 million Indian people is an acceptable cost of destroying Pakistan.

This is why nincompoops should not be on internet. Pak has 100 nukes of which hardly 4-5 will ever reach India. Considering the damage it did to Japan, I would place the death toll at 5-10 lakhs max. So yeah , that is a very acceptable damage. Besides, the day nukes go off, porkis will not exist on the Map. Even a porki general as retarded as you would not be that suicidal when his own life would depend on survival of porkistan

In 1990, the level of air superiority archived by US in Iraqi sky didn't stopped Iraqi from delivering their missiles which were build with 20 years old technologies. And your CMs have nothing to do with their missiles.

this nincompoop thinks we are still living in 1990

Whatever technologies you can have, Americans and Chinese will make sure Pakistan have her answer.

And precisely why China will also face our nukes in case of a paki nuke attack. And pimp only for yourself and don't pimp for Americans

 

[tarunraju]

That is correct. This was announced by the previous NSA.

http://indiablooms.com/NewsDetailsPage/2010/newsDetails211010n.php

 

[I_PLAY_BAD]

In 1951-1952, American officials publically discussed the possibility of nuke strike in mainland of China, Macarthur was one of them. According to Japanese information revealed in last 80s, the nuclear weapons were transported to Japan at the peak of Korea war. Americans cancelled the plan due to the fear a nuclear war with Russians.

http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/how-korean-war-almost-went-nuclear-180955324/?no-ist

Ironically, in 1969, it was American's turn to save Chinese from a nuclear threat from Moscow.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-planned-nuclear-attack-on-China-in-1969.html



Oh please. This enemy of yours had been concentrating most of her military resources on the her north and south borders against Soviet threat until 1989, barely leave nothing spare against India. After 1989, this enemy of yours was under the pressure from the east--Taiwan and USA. Your politicians and generals were fully aware this so called "enemy" had nothing to threat you.

You went to nuke not because Chinese or Pakistan. Instead, you took the step for only one reason: you want to be treated as a power.



Then, congratulations, you did a perfect job to narrow the military gap between you and Pakistan by going to nuclear. Yes, their nuclear force is on par with you. However, even a tiny fraction of their nuclear weapons can cause the damage on India than all of her conventional weapons together. A 1971 kind of victory became unthinkable for you. Good job.

Very clever. China used this abnormal situation to develop nuclear weapons for its own ambitions of becoming a power. Nothing wrong.

India had threats similarly and we used that opportune moment to defend and project us. What is wrong in that? China can do it and India shouldn't?

Sarcasm is dripping in your post.
Pakistan was feared to death and begged china and north Korea for nuke tech which you generously sold.
China and Pakistan's dreams shattered to pressurize India by our 'smiling buddha', clearly a jab at the Chinese.
Pakistan develops nuke fearing about losing another part of it like in 1971. Still there is a huge gap with us. Stockpiling nukes is a waste of resources as there won't be nuke war. If at all there is it will be started by pakis and eventually Pakistan will disappear from world map. Then your dream of faster and cheaper access to central Asia will remain a dream.