Indian Ocean Developments

[Ray]

The western powers, and more importantly, the US, will rule the IOR.

The control all the chokepoints.

 

[SammyCheung]

Hi nitwit,
Launching something means sqwat, it is not operational, and also it is still not operational. Do you know the patrolling capacity of your SSN's and SSBN's; laughable.

LOL! Right now, at least 4 Yuan subs have been built and the last two are "improved" Yuan.

As for China's submarine patrols and activity... let's just say there have been enough "public incidents" to let USN and JMSDF know where the lines are.

But for India, SSK and SSBN are irrelevant. It's the Type 093 submarine (and later on Type 095) that would be involved in the Indian Ocean.

 

[SammyCheung]

Any information on ASW capabilities of India and China?

China does not have ASW helicopter. It has only towed sonar on ships.

This means its primary defense against subs is other subs.

 

[Ray]

LOL! Right now, at least 4 Yuan subs have been built and the last two are "improved" Yuan.

As for China's submarine patrols and activity... let's just say there have been enough "public incidents" to let USN and JMSDF know where the lines are.

But for India, SSK and SSBN are irrelevant. It's the Type 093 submarine (and later on Type 095) that would be involved in the Indian Ocean.

Indeed.

That is if the US allows China to do so!!

There is many a slip between cup and lip!

 

[SammyCheung]

Astra microwaves pvt ltd has been producing TR modules for India.It has recently formed a 51:49 JV with BEL which is also the largest govt entity to ensure production rates.

Not bad I admit..... but I looked up the website and found that it was formed in August 2008. Yes I know you said "recently formed" but this is really really recently.

T/R module manufacture is a future capability for India, thanks to its 51:49 JV with BEL. But for China, it is a current capability. As expert analyst website say, China will field its AESA radar on the J-10B.

 

[nitesh]

Not bad I admit..... but I looked up the website and found that it was formed in August 2008. Yes I know you said "recently formed" but this is really really recently.

T/R module manufacture is a future capability for India, thanks to its 51:49 JV with BEL. But for China, it is a current capability. As expert analyst website say, China will field its AESA radar on the J-10B.

hilarious

SO if manufacturing TR module is CURRENT capability for CHina then why it i not havin a CURRENT AESA radar? why WILL?

 

[Adux]

LOL! Right now, at least 4 Yuan subs have been built and the last two are "improved" Yuan.

As for China's submarine patrols and activity... let's just say there have been enough "public incidents" to let USN and JMSDF know where the lines are.

But for India, SSK and SSBN are irrelevant. It's the Type 093 submarine (and later on Type 095) that would be involved in the Indian Ocean.

Also J-XX,Anymore Fanboy stuff.
There is one supposed to be active(the 330) and the other two havent even left the port, and it is filled with German and French stuff from the effin 1980's..lol. Oh yay!

 

[Adux]

Adu,

The Chinese have a superiour submarine force over the Indians for one reason and one reason only. They've lost a crew.

I want you to think what I've just written.

Sir,

Nothing teaches you like Failures, But I might digress with you on this, US didnt have to loose Scorpion to achieve the level they have today, I believe when it comes to Navy's, traditions and mentality matter, If there is one thing Indian Navy excels in, it is vision, training and traditions. I would call on you to look at the recent patrols of the Indian Submarine Force compare them to Chinese, Heck even the Pakistani's are far better than the Chinese on this.

 

[natarajan]

all guys remember india defeated pakistan without any air superiority fighters and pakistan has good enough airforce at that time(1971) and
also usa support but We made 90000 from pakistan to surrender to us
chinese lack real time experince and it is talent of soldiers ,navy and airforce but not quantity

 

[SammyCheung]

Also J-XX,Anymore Fanboy stuff.
There is one supposed to be active(the 330) and the other two havent even left the port, and it is filled with German and French stuff from the effin 1980's..lol. Oh yay!

LOL! This guy believes anything.

China's submarine patrols are secret. The less news out there means the better for PLAN ;-)

 

[natarajan]

Another news to cheer is we have only two enemies (Pakistan, Chinese) but Pakistan wont affect us as it is proxy base of usa so "string of pearls" is useless with Bangladesh,sri lanka,myanmar etc but we can encircle china with Vietnam, Mongolia,japan,south Korea, Taiwan as Chinese have problem with these countries and also nato will never join this Chinese
Remember we have airbase in Tajikistan which is near Pakistan and china
*we are having huge aircraft carriers(islands) near malacca strait so we can block all oil routes to chinese :2guns:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=11049

 

[tharikiran]

China's submarine patrols are secret.

This one gets the prize. All submarine missions are.

 

[Sridhar]

LOL! This guy believes anything.

China's submarine patrols are secret. The less news out there means the better for PLAN ;-)

If you can believe in your Expert Analyst Website , why should he not ? At least he provided links for what he post.

 

[SammyCheung]

*we are having huge aircraft carriers(islands) near malacca strait so we can block all oil routes to chinese :2guns:

The USN can seal off Malacca, but not IN. Not against PLAN subs. IN doesn't have battle groups of destroyers, frigates and nuclear subs with the carrier. It has weak ASW.

PLAN subs can get to Indian Ocean another route if Malacca is dangerous.

 

[natarajan]

we are getting p8i and in future we will be superior in asw

 

[Adux]

IN's specialty is ASW, And also IN using her Air assets can easily close of Malacca Straits for PLAN, it is called Andaman & Nicobar Islands, where we already have our most Important military base, the Tri-Services Command. We control Malacca Straits, there is only one Challenger or rather Uber Commander ie is the USN. Nobody else. By our Sheer Geography and Military Strength we control the Chinese.
No Submarine or Surface Ship can go through that area without India, USA, Malaysia, Indoensia and Singapore knowing about it. Chinese are locked and shackled, String of Pearls, like every other damn Chinese wet dream will remain that.

 

[hbogyt]

re

hilarious

SO if manufacturing TR module is CURRENT capability for CHina then why it i not havin a CURRENT AESA radar? why WILL?

By that, I assume you mean fighter AESA. They do have those actually. During a recent interview with the chief designer of J-10 on CCTV, he said J-10 was already mass equipped with ESA radar. I don't consider equipping prototypes "mass equipped". He must mean that a part of the J-10A is equipped with it. Considering pla doctrine, it is unlikely to be PESA.

Talking about AESA in general. They have them on KJ-2000 and Y-8 Balance Beam, and on type-052C DDG.


To p2Prada.

They bought a whole range of equipment during the honeymoon period, including leo2.

Russian experts can help us in missiles, submarines, torpedos, and engines.

Despite the embargo by Europe. Many technology can flow through the conduit of dual use technology.

Technological expertise is directly proportional to the amount of money you pump into R&D. Some countries have accumulated the expertise over time, but the gap should not be as large as OOE suggests, considering we are continually getting help from Europe and Israel.


To Sammy

My source suggests that the production of 093 has stopped. They are waiting for the construction of 095 to begin next year.

Adux, as we would say, anger worsens your health my friend.

I'm not contesting India's local superiority. China some times does get by with diplomacy.

 

[SammyCheung]

IN's specialty is ASW, And also IN using her Air assets can easily close of Malacca Straits for PLAN, it is called Andaman & Nicobar Islands, where we already have our most Important military base, the Tri-Services Command. We control Malacca Straits, there is only one Challenger or rather Uber Commander ie is the USN. Nobody else. By our Sheer Geography and Military Strength we control the Chinese.
No Submarine or Surface Ship can go through that area without India, USA, Malaysia, Indoensia and Singapore knowing about it. Chinese are locked and shackled, String of Pearls, like every other damn Chinese wet dream will remain that.

LOL. So we go around Malacca to get to India. Is it that hard? You can't block off the whole ocean.

 

[nitesh]

By that, I assume you mean fighter AESA. They do have those actually. During a recent interview with the chief designer of J-10 on CCTV, he said J-10 was already mass equipped with ESA radar. I don't consider equipping prototypes "mass equipped". He must mean that a part of the J-10A is equipped with it. Considering pla doctrine, it is unlikely to be PESA.

So assumption only hmmm

 

[Ray]

LOL. So we go around Malacca to get to India. Is it that hard? You can't block off the whole ocean.

You really feel it is as huge as the Pacific?

Fly into Singapore and you will realise!

Forgive me, but this indicates you are not aware of military issues, but high on nationalism!