Indian Ocean Developments

[Officer of Engineers]

It was Mess Talk. You guys remember PACOM also offerred Chinese help with their carrier program.

 

[p2prada]

No, we're relying on what the submariners have said.

They are human too and rely on assumptions when it comes to another Navy. They know what their Navy can do and assume what the others can do. Nevertheless, nobody can actually pinpoint the exact capabilities of another force unless you actually see them in action.

And that is where you don't understand. It's not the past mistakes nor the future mistakes, it's an entire thought process. You're still assuming that you're smart enough to learn from all others ... and this is exactly why your accident is coming.

Wrong! Prevention is better than a cure. Preventing accidents is high on the list of priorities of the Indian Navy.

One of the worst ship accidents during exercises in the Indian navy was aboard the recently purchased "American ship" Trenton where 6 sailors died.

Funny how a small budget($4Billion), 150 ship navy has one of the least accident rates in the world.

An accident may be in the making. But, whatever the shortcomings, they will be addressed. It was only after the Trenton accident that the Navy fast tracked the NBC training. But, it in no way entails that the Indian Navy is not professional as the submariners have defined it.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Training should not be an issue, India has experience in submarines, but Maintenance and safety maybe an issue;nuclear submarines have greater demand in maintenance and training of the crew for longer missions.

 

[IBRIS]

China will attack India by 2012 to divert the attention of its own people from "unprecedented" internal dissent, growing unemployment and financial problems. Communists over the society. Among other reasons for this assessment were rising unemployment, flight of capital worth billions of dollars, depletion of its foreign exchange reserves. Beijing with its proxy Pakistan now literally embroiled in a civil war, losing its sheen against India.
Is Indian military equipped to face the two-front wars by Beijing and Islamabad.

 

[Ray]

Brigadier, that first article you posted, can you provide a good link? its also fiull of errors. For example the nuclear powered CGN USS Bainbridge was stricken from the navy rolls (1996). The current USS Bainbridge is an Arliegh Burke class DDG. Or the battle cruiser Bunker Hill... in relaity the USS Bunker Hill is an aging Ticonderoga class CG that weighs less than the new DDG not a BC.

As for the Chinese PLAN, to the USN it is not a serious threat. If the PLAN were able to gang up on one peace time strike group they might be able to do some serious damage, but there are 10 more carriers behind it.

Each post has a link.

Are you meaning this:

http://www.dtic.mil/jointvision/jvpub2.htm

 

[Ray]

I would not go by what people or submariners have to say!

As if that is the Gospel Truth!

 

[IBM]

Indian along with US ,patrol Indian oceon together, than we can control china and pak...

 

[natarajan]

already usa has base in indian ocean

 

[shotgunner]

It was Mess Talk. You guys remember PACOM also offerred Chinese help with their carrier program.

Concur with your point.

Back to topic "Who will rule Indian Ocean?". Who is ruling it now -- USA -- will continue to rule it.

This is a pointless debate. As long as US is just capable of maintaining its current level, it would take decades if not centuries if not forever for other navies to be even get close.

Other than US, countries at best can secure its trading routes in Indian Ocean from pirates, interference from other non-US countries. Only US navy rules here, other countries can choose either tag along following US orders, or behave and don't mess up with US.

It is China's doctrine to accept US military hegemony, as described in the "Peaceful Rise" strategy.

 

[shotgunner]

Indian along with US ,patrol Indian oceon together, than we can control china and pak...

Independent thinking please, you are no longer an anglo-saxon colony, not a proxy state aren't you? Independent thinking, and dignity.

NATO states may patrol Baltic Sea along with USN, but they don't control Russia, US does

SK may patrol JSA along with USA, but they don't control NK, US does.

There is no room for IN in the Indian Ocean, only USN rules, this fact is not changed whether any country is permitted to patrol along with.

 

[p2prada]

There is no room for IN in the Indian Ocean, only USN rules, this fact is not changed whether any country is permitted to patrol along with.

I guess this is the reason we are being pushed into the south China Sea.

That's also a reason why India does not allow US, UK, China, Russia etc to join the IONS.

 

[Tamil]

we don't allow any navy to patrol or control our INDIAN OCEAN, its purely belong to India only

 

[Yusuf]

we don't allow any navy to patrol or control our INDIAN OCEAN, its purely belong to India only

Tamil, grow up and dont talk out of emotion. USN patrols and controls the Indian Ocean. It's a fact.

 

[masterofsea]

we don't allow any navy to patrol or control our INDIAN OCEAN, its purely belong to India only

Ha Ha.
Indian ocean is NOT india's ocean,though its name is Indian ocean.
Before the invade of west culture,we just call it South ocean::

 

[Tamil]

Tamil, grow up and dont talk out of emotion. USN patrols and controls the Indian Ocean. It's a fact.

im not speaking in emotion, i need it will be in our control not now, in future we want to rule the whole part.

Ha Ha.
Indian ocean is NOT india's ocean,though its name is Indian ocean.
Before the invade of west culture,we just call it South ocean::

i too know little history, but any way tnx to remember to me. i need it will be in our control not now, in future we want to rule the whole part.

 

[shotgunner]

Indian companies cannot be in the top list because of our exchange rates, 1$=Rs 48. Our companies generate more revenue from India than other countries. Their assets go into Trillions.

Exchange rate, remarkable. So
1$=100 Japanese Yen, that's why Japanese cannot be in the top list!
1$=1000 Korean Won, that why Korean companies can't be there either!

Also don't forget, companies that generate more revenue domestically can't be in the list too!

Mmmmmmmmmm ... somebody just won a Nobel prize in economics.

That don't mean shit. Israel and Sweden industrial base is non-existent.

What? Israeli and Swedish industrial bases are non-existent? That's complete bull shit!

EADS also sees us as a partner when it comes to R&D and are willing to offer a stake in the Eurofighter Typhoon Program making us the 5th country to join the 4 country consortium. They wouldn't have done that had our expertise been non-existent

Such a quick confirmation on the cause, how logical you are! The only reason that they might possibly allow India to invest for a stake is because of India's expertise? Or would it possibly be market? Or even simply a funding? Anyway, the name Eurofighter may have to be changed into Eurasiafighter or something! So funny.

 

[shotgunner]

I guess this is the reason we are being pushed into the south China Sea.

How shameful to be pushed out from home, but then welcome IN to the S China Sea, you will find food & humanitarian supplies here

That's also a reason why India does not allow US, UK, China, Russia etc to join the IONS.

Were you allowed to "not allow" the US to join the IONS? They have military base in Diego Garcia. BTW, Royal Navy of GB is also there, seems like the Brits never want to leave this lovely Ocean

 

[Yusuf]

US Navy in Indian Ocean

We all know that the US Navy is the most powerful navy in the IOR.
What makes it so powerful. What kind of assets it has in this region. What king of partnership it has inbthis region. What kind of strategy and doctrine it has for this region. How do the other Navies in this region compare with the USN?

 

[Yusuf]

US Navy builds Stingray-esque base in Indian Ocean

Reports have emerged that the US Navy is upgrading its submarine base at the isolated tropical atoll Diego Garcia, which is formally British territory.

The base improvements will allow its new class of SSGN nuclear submarines to operate from Diego Garcia, which is potentially noteworthy. The tiny island group is situated in the middle of the Indian Ocean, giving the US and its allies access to various strategic maritime choke points such as the Straits of Hormuz – the entrance to the Gulf – and the pirate-plagued waters of the Bab-el-Mandeb at the foot of the Red Sea.


Perhaps even more significantly in the light of recent events, Diego Garcia is a useful base for operations off the south-eastern coastline of Iran, close to the border with the lawless frontier regions of Pakistan.

Normally, a few tens of millions of dollars in base improvements wouldn't raise eyebrows even at a critical harbour like this one. But an increased presence of SSGN subs will be well worth bearing in mind for the various military forces active in the region.

This is because SSGNs aren't your average nuclear submarine. They are converted Ohio-class Trident ballistic-missile boats, recently retired from their old job under the terms of strategic arms-limitation treaties. But the US Navy saw no reason to get rid of the submarines themselves, and the removal of the Tridents left them with plenty of room for other things.

The rebuilt vessels can nowadays carry 66 elite special-forces frogmen, who will typically be Navy SEALs or possibly members of the new US Marines MARSOC outfit. Some reports suggest that up to 102 underwater warriors may be able to cram in for short periods. The subs will have a "dry hangar", an underwater docking bay allowing the frogmen to deploy from their mother ship aboard SEAL Delivery Vehicles (SDVs), minisubs which can carry them in to enemy coastlines.

One variant of the SDV is said to be armed with its own torpedoes, though these would probably be for use against anchored ships rather than Stingray or James Bond style undersea dogfights. There has also been some suggestion that the Advanced SEAL Delivery System (ASDS) might deploy from the SSGNs. The ASDS is a larger, enclosed mini-sub which can carry SEALs in warm dry conditions rather than delivering them into battle shivering and frozen. However, reports suggest that the ASDS programme has hit problems; it may be that only a single prototype craft will be available.

Once the frogmen are in action, perhaps ashore in coastal regions, in enemy harbours or far inland by river, they won't be lacking support. A normal submarine can, of course, launch cruise missiles to attack targets inland; but the SSGNs are something special in this regard. Each sub is said to carry up to 154 Tactical Tomahawks, robot kamikaze jets which can be remotely piloted to strike locations a thousand miles inland.

The UK lags well behind the US, as ever, in the field of amazing Team America-like organisations – despite the fact that the converted Ohio boats' Marineville-esque base will be located on nominally British territory.

However, the Royal Marines' Special Boat Service frogmen are well thought of in the international underwater-scuffler community ("the SBS are as hard as woodpeckers' lips"," one SEAL once told this reporter). The British Troy Tempests are somewhat lacking on the kit front, though, with the UK possessing only a single dry hangar attached to a relatively normal mothership. As for vessels capable of carrying 60 frogmen beneath the waves for months on end, or cruise missile firepower in the hundreds, for now the SBS can only dream.

Being submarine-based, all these things can be used even against countries with fairly capable air forces and surface patrols. The presence of SSGN-type platforms in a theatre means that any large body of water connected to the sea suddenly becomes a danger, potentially full of heavily-armed SEALs or underwater robot platforms such as the Talisman.

Various people in the Indian Ocean area will be viewing the announcement of the Diego Garcia upgrades with interest. ®

US Navy builds Stingray-esque base in Indian Ocean ? The Register

 

[Ray]

im not speaking in emotion, i need it will be in our control not now, in future we want to rule the whole part.



i too know little history, but any way tnx to remember to me. i need it will be in our control not now, in future we want to rule the whole part.

The nationalism is appreciated.

However, one has to look at the issue holistically.

The Indian Ocean spans from Babel Mandeb to the Straits of Malacca and in the south to Cape of Good Hope.

Therefore, imagine the naval force that will be necessary for sea domination.

Does India have that?

If one objectively looks at the issue and the necessary of global domination by the US, then even the US Navy is spread thin.

However, since 60% of world trade travels through Indian Ocean, it manifests itself as an area where maximum attention has to be focussed, compared to other areas, if global domination is the aim.