Indian nuclear submarines

[right wing]

Any news on the ins aridaman??

 

[Pulkit]

It can provide us missile n armanent storing bases..away from pryin eyes in himalayan depths..and also close enough to strike china n pak..but equally secure from counter attacks...chinese slrdy hav such bases in tibet n central china..why shldnt we if we r anyway diggin 100kms in the mountains..making tunnels which r just too big to be calld headrace tunnels..and that too from50 or 200mw projects..quite miniscule...such nuclear bases n hidden shafts r a neccesity..helps to keep u safe for second strike..in case of nuclear attacks n emergencies..

Sir no body apart from the Top Officers knows where and where not our nuclear arsenal is kept and deployed....
Secondly Even for the second strike point of view we should not be keeping Nukes so close to our enemy line or line of defence....

Deploying Nukes from within the Hialayas will be difficult for sure + Just my point of view enemy will be able to figure out our base after the launch of very first missile ....
I think Cannister tpye missiles are already there they can be transported anywhere .... So such bases are not neccesary but if some day we feel need of it one can go for it....

 

[bennedose]

And as for water n uranium enrichment power..that can come from the hydro project of which these tunnels r a part..so two things can be there simultaneously..this is exixting in several chinese n russian projects..n even in alaska..where hydro projects..lead way to such tunnelld bases..general times run on grid power..emergency switch to own reactor..nd india is building small heavy water reactors since ages

The reason why no one has nuclear power plants in the Himalayas is high seismic activity. A nuclear plant requires water nearby but an earthquake could release nuclear material into the water and the Chinese will have no work to do after that.

 

[Pulkit]

The reason why no one has nuclear power plants in the Himalayas is high seismic activity. A nuclear plant requires water nearby but an earthquake could release nuclear material into the water and the Chinese will have no work to do after that.

And as for water n uranium enrichment power..that can come from the hydro project of which these tunnels r a part..so two things can be there simultaneously..this is exixting in several chinese n russian projects..n even in alaska..where hydro projects..lead way to such tunnelld bases..general times run on grid power..emergency switch to own reactor..nd india is building small heavy water reactors since ages
right wing ↑
The reason why no one has nuclear power plants in the Himalayas is high seismic activity. A nuclear plant requires water nearby but an earthquake could release nuclear material into the water and the Chinese will have no work to do after that. .

Bennedose : Seismic activity is also dangerous for Hydro plants i.e. dams.... That didntstop us from constructing Dams there ...and todays tech can make sure no radiation is released in such case...

Right Wing: These Dams and Tunnels have full access to public and private people ... These tunnels are not secure for a covert project of the type You are suggesting as these tunnels are already in public domain.Though your point is really exciting but If had to make a decision of whether to go for it or not... I would not opt for it(my point of view only)...


And enrichment plant in that much space will not be possible with what we have today ... And top of it we are still not able to have such an plant or power generator on our own we need foreign help ... Which makes this idea suicidal ...

Future might have different point of view......

 

[right wing]

The reason why no one has nuclear power plants in the Himalayas is high seismic activity. A nuclear plant requires water nearby but an earthquake could release nuclear material into the water and the Chinese will have no work to do after that.

well..while pulkit is justified...the problem of high seismicity is not that big a threat..all such projects..including civilian hydro power projects can withstand at least 8...himalayas hav no history of greater attacks...n so earthquake not a problem...even if today 2 or 3 such dams lik tehri..naptha jhakri..orthe jaypee dam collapse//they wud cause devastation worth 1000 nukes..

 

[right wing]

Bennedose : Seismic activity is also dangerous for Hydro plants i.e. dams.... That didntstop us from constructing Dams there ...and todays tech can make sure no radiation is released in such case...

Right Wing: These Dams and Tunnels have full access to public and private people ... These tunnels are not secure for a covert project of the type You are suggesting as these tunnels are already in public domain.Though your point is really exciting but If had to make a decision of whether to go for it or not... I would not opt for it(my point of view only)...


And enrichment plant in that much space will not be possible with what we have today ... And top of it we are still not able to have such an plant or power generator on our own we need foreign help ... Which makes this idea suicidal ...

Future might have different point of view......

..well my entire optimism is on future..abhi se socho ke to 20 saal baad hoga..

 

[Pulkit]

..well my entire optimism is on future..abhi se socho ke to 20 saal baad hoga..

Yeah Even then its 50-50 case...
who knows by then, we have some thing better ....
Thats future ...
That cannot be one of the options as we already have the parts just a assembly is required which can be done in quick span....

 

[SajeevJino]

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the nuclear reactor on board the indigenously-developed INS Arihant nuclear submarine iss also critical and is running on its "full power" before it is launched for sea trials.

DRDO Chief Avinash Chandar

mdaily.bhaskar.com/article/referer/4444/t/320/NAT-TOP-india-nuclear-triad-capability-to-launch-weapons-from-land-sea-and-air-fully-rea-4673934-NOR.html

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

not so secret Nuclear submarine
programs which started in late 80"²s, is
finally shifting its focus back to the
original idea of building a Attack
nuclear submarines . INS Arihant
which is a nuclear-powered ballistic
missile submarines (SSBN ) will be
heading to Sea Trials soon, while
Second submarine INS Aridhaman of
the arihant class likely will have a soft
launch by 2016 , and Third unnamed
submarine dubbed S-4 is also
underconstruction .
I
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@right wing
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Will New SNN class be based on Arihant
class SSBN ?, sure it will shorten
development time frame of the
submarines or will it be completely
New design ?, well that might not be
revealed at this stage , but DRDO had
disclosed in past , development of Next
Generation SSBN Nuke submarines,
which will be much longer and will
carry more next generation long range
ballistic missiles and have more
powerful nuclear reactor which
currently are in development phase .
Original plans to start work on new
bread of SSBN was supposed to start in
2020 after all three Arihant class had
completed construction work and it is
likely that Production line for SSN will
not utilities current Arihant
Production line to carry out
development of next generation SSBN .
India’s Focus shifts back to development of Hunter Killer Nuclear submarines | idrw.org
.

 

[Sea Eagle]

not so secret Nuclear submarine
programs which started in late 80"²s, is
finally shifting its focus back to the
original idea of building a Attack
nuclear submarines . INS Arihant
which is a nuclear-powered ballistic
missile submarines (SSBN ) will be
heading to Sea Trials soon, while
Second submarine INS Aridhaman of
the arihant class likely will have a soft
launch by 2016 , and Third unnamed
submarine dubbed S-4 is also
underconstruction.

As per Vijainder K Thakur of IDP sentinel, Arihant won't achieve full operational capability before 2017, though sea trials would start later this year.

@right wing
.
Will New SNN class be based on Arihant
class SSBN ?, sure it will shorten
development time frame of the
submarines or will it be completely
New design ?, well that might not be
revealed at this stage , but DRDO had
disclosed in past , development of Next
Generation SSBN Nuke submarines,
which will be much longer and will
carry more next generation long range
ballistic missiles and have more
powerful nuclear reactor which
currently are in development phase .
Original plans to start work on new
bread of SSBN was supposed to start in
2020 after all three Arihant class had
completed construction work and it is
likely that Production line for SSN will
not utilities current Arihant
Production line to carry out
development of next generation SSBN .
India's Focus shifts back to development of Hunter Killer Nuclear submarines | idrw.org

SSN's design would depend upon Navy's requirement. If navy asks for a VLS based submarine then something based on Arihant's design would selected. If they don't want VLS then Akula's design would be selected.

 

[Compersion]

The reason why no one has nuclear power plants in the Himalayas is high seismic activity. A nuclear plant requires water nearby but an earthquake could release nuclear material into the water and the Chinese will have no work to do after that.

how about creating a fake (seismic activity) earthquake using a nuclear device near a nuclear plant ... would PRC and anyone do that

india needs to plan and prepare in even non-seismic centers on its nuclear installations for seismic activity and extreme weather phenomena

 

[Apollyon]

First images of INS Arihant (courtesy NDTV)

 

[right wing]

it looks bigger than 6000 tonnes...another drdo white lie

 

[Bheeshma]

So?? The P28's started of as mere 2500 tonne ships but jumped to 3400 tones. The P17's were to be under 5000 tonnes but are 6200 tones and P15A's went from 6300 to 7500 tonne displacement. Anyway 6000 tonne is only the surfaced displacement.
The harbor has been merciless on the poor ship. How deep is the harbor it has been sailing on for the last two years.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

I think we already have 3 Nuclear submarines out there and the NAVY is keeping the enemies in dark....

 

[Dhairya Yadav]

How exactly? We barely made atv without any major crisis, and you think we have three n subs? Lets not get ahead of ourselves. And even if we think of your idea, why did we lease akulaII class ins chakra?

 

[Bheeshma]

Chakra is SSN not SSBN. The purpose is entirely different.

 

[Dhairya Yadav]

Chakra is SSN not SSBN. The purpose is entirely different.

but its nuclear powered, right? Purpose is different indeed, but that is not what was referred by sesha...it was refered to propulsion.

 

[Bheeshma]

He mean Aridhman is already out in the sea undergoing trials. Arihant is not in the harbor but preparing to fire K-4.

 

[Dhairya Yadav]

He mean Aridhman is already out in the sea undergoing trials. Arihant is not in the harbor but preparing to fire K-4.

aridhman hasnt even been launched yet, its slated to be launched by early 2015