Indian nuclear submarines

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[nandu]

UPA report card surprise: A look at n-submarine

India's nuclear submarine Arihant — classified as top secret so far — has finally been revealed to the world after its picture was carried in the UPA's report to the people that was released by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Tuesday.

The first-ever photograph of the super secret submarine, which was launched in July last year at Visakhapatnam, has been published in the 'security' section of the report, surprising experts and analysts who had been trying for months to catch a glimpse of India's first indigenous nuclear submarine.

Till now, the project had been highly classified and all the world had seen of the nuclear attack submarine were artist's impressions and cross sections drawn by a handful of people, including mediapersons, who saw the submarine at the launch ceremony last year. The photograph in the report seems to be of the same ceremony and shows the submarine in the same dock where it was constructed.

The navy, which is in charge of the security of the project, still considers the photographs of the Arihant as classified. After the submarine was launched almost a year ago, it was moved to another closed dock in Visakhapatnam under the cover of darkness to prevent hovering observation satellites from getting a snapshot.

The government now seems to have decided to release a photograph of the submarine given that it will shortly undertake harbour trials and subsequent trials on the high seas.

The nuclear submarine was launched at a simple ceremony with the traditional breaking of a coconut on its hull by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's wife Gursharan Kaur in July last year. It will be ready for induction into the Navy by 2011 after a series of exhaustive trials. Once inducted, the 6,000-tonne Arihant would be the vital third leg of India's nuclear policy that hinges around the second strike theory — use of nuclear weapons only as a retaliatory measure against a first strike by the enemy.

http://idrw.org/?p=1891#more-1891

 

[LETHALFORCE]

http://news.oneindia.in/2010/06/01/indiasfirst-nuclear-powered-submarine-ins-arihantrevealed.html

India's first nuclear-powered submarine INS Arihant revealed

New Delhi, June 1 (ANI): The United Progressive Alliance (UPA) Government while presenting its annual report card here on Tuesday revealed the photograph of India's first nuclear-powered submarine INS Arihant for the first time.

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Stressing that coastal and maritime security has assumed significance especially after the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks, the government in the UPA-II report said the launching into the waters of the indigenous INS Arihant nuclear submarine showed its commitment to strengthening the coastal security and surveillance mechanism.


"A decision has been taken to induct the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile system, with precision strike capability against land targets. Akash surface to air missile system
capable of multi-target handling, is also being inducted," the report said.

INS Arihant is the lead ship of India's Arihant class of nuclear-powered submarines. The 5,000-6,000 tonne vessel was built under the Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV) project at the Ship Building Centre in Visakhapatnam.

The submarine is reported to be similar to the Russian Charlie-II class submarine, which India leased from the Soviet Union between 1988 and 1991. (ANI)

 

[nrj]

I wonder which would be test platform for K-X SLBM (Agni III), will it be future/current ATV or Russian Nerpa.....

 

[LETHALFORCE]

If Russians are leasing the Nerpa they are bound by the MCTR and will probably place klub's and torpedos??

 

[nrj]

so it has to be Indigenous Nuclear sub firing Indigenous SLBM. It'll take much time for us to know if current ATV has the physical characteristics to sport K-X or under construction ATVs are designed for the same. We should see launch of ATV-2 by year end or early 2011.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

ATV will most likely be carrying k10 or AGNI, the kilo subs have been delayed due to the Brahmos refitting. Someone said Russians will not allow nuclear warheads to be placed on the akula how true this is unknown??

 

[bhramos]

I wonder which would be test platform for K-X SLBM (Agni III), will it be future/current ATV or Russian Nerpa.....

any K-X deployment on Nerpa is impossible, Sagarika is the current name of K-X.

before pridicted images of ATV

Charlie-II

 

[nrj]

Well, if a secret agreement has been signed for permanent acquisition of these Two Nerpas then Russians should not have any problem nor will MTCR come in picture. ATV-1 will have K-15 for sure but we should consider ATV-1 more as TD. Following ATVs should feature K-X for sure. But this will throw testing in post 2012 timeframe. SLBM testing is very lengthy & IN will require more time to induct & integrate them all.

 

[nrj]

any K-X deployment on Nerpa is impossible, Sagarika is the current name of K-X.

Sagarika is K-15 due for Arihant integration. K-X is AGNI III SLBM under development. K-15 is 700Km range but K-X is 5500 Km opening way for submarine launched ICBMs for IN inventory.

 

[bhramos]

Cant we fit N-tipped Torpedoes on IN's Diesel Submarines as Israel is doing?
even USSR used N-Torpedoes on Foxtrot Class in Cuban crisis.
what are atomic Submarines?

 

[AJSINGH]

ATV will most likely be carrying k10 or AGNI, the kilo subs have been delayed due to the Brahmos refitting. Someone said Russians will not allow nuclear warheads to be placed on the akula how true this is unknown??

look there is international restriction which prohibits Russia or any other country (signatory to that treaty) to sell missile or missile system ,range greater than 700km , we can always carry nuclear weapons on board , no such restrictions from Russia

 

[AJSINGH]

Cant we fit N-tipped Torpedoes on IN's Diesel Submarines as Israel is doing?
even USSR used N-Torpedoes on Foxtrot Class in Cuban crisis.
what are atomic Submarines?

good point , but the problem is the diesel submarine do have range required to launch N-tipped missiles, plus the missiles which we have or will have do not posses enough range so that diesel submarine does not have to leave protected waters.

 

[bhramos]

Can the Brahmos CM be N-tipped and fired from Kilo or Scorpene Subs?
this would be a good plus point because if the Subs were detected by enemy ships or subs, attacking them would be a suicide for the other ships. so most probably they may not attack or cant force them. if fired these kill aprox 10km circle around it.
could any one explain how or what are Israeli N-subs,
do they have N-tipped Missiles?

 

[AJSINGH]

Can the Brahmos CM be N-tipped and fired from Kilo or Scorpene Subs?
this would be a good plus point because if the Subs were detected by enemy ships or subs, attacking them would be a suicide for the other ships. so most probably they may not attack or cant force them. if fired these kill aprox 10km circle around it.
could any one explain how or what are Israeli N-subs,
do they have N-tipped Missiles?

brahmos can be configured to launch nuclear tipped missile ,Brahmos does have to required payload of 3000kg , plus if you do have to attack a hostile ship,it will be done by torpedo or coventional warhead brahmos . Nuclear attack would be over kill not to mention huge political fallout

 

[nrj]

Can the Brahmos CM be N-tipped and fired from Kilo or Scorpene Subs?
this would be a good plus point because if the Subs were detected by enemy ships or subs, attacking them would be a suicide for the other ships. so most probably they may not attack or cant force them. if fired these kill aprox 10km circle around it.
could any one explain how or what are Israeli N-subs,
do they have N-tipped Missiles?

Brahmos is ready to be fired from Submarines. But, real sub tests have not been carried out yet as platform is not available. Once user makes the platform available, Brahmos corp will test the Brahmos & then it can be inducted in future subs. Tests will be most likely undertaken on IN Kilo class. Amur class will also be able to launch Brahmos. Yes Brahmos can be N-tipped anytime on MOD directions. Not sure Scorpene will be armed with Brahmos or not.

ATV will not feature Brahmos. It'll have K-15 & K-X.


@ Israel

As for Israel, they do not have N-submarine yet. Future orders of Dolphin class will be with AIP. But early Dolphins bought from Germany is rumored to be armed with N-capable Popeye CM with potent range of 1500+ Km. Few tests were carried out successfully in late 2000 itself. Israel is reported to possess a 200kg nuclear warhead, containing 6kg of plutonium, that could be mounted on cruise missiles. So yes, Israel has N-tipped SLBMs.

 

[bhramos]

brahmos can be configured to launch nuclear tipped missile ,Brahmos does have to required payload of 3000kg , plus if you do have to attack a hostile ship,it will be done by torpedo or coventional warhead brahmos . Nuclear attack would be over kill not to mention huge political fallout

i am sorry, my point is if the Kilo with N-warhead, attacked by PN ship or a PLAN Sub destroys PN/PLAN ship also. so PLAN will not dare or try to attack IN sub.

 

[JAISWAL]

SIR,
a good read on atv on this link
gives good insight of origin , inspiration and its designe
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/india/sub/ssn/part01.htm

 

[bhramos]

Brahmos is ready to be fired from Submarines. But, real sub tests have not been carried out yet as platform is not available. Once user makes the platform available, Brahmos corp will test the Brahmos & then it can be inducted in future subs. Tests will be most likely undertaken on IN Kilo class. Amur class will also be able to launch Brahmos. Yes Brahmos can be N-tipped anytime on MOD directions. Not sure Scorpene will be armed with Brahmos or not.

ATV will not feature Brahmos. It'll have K-15 & K-X.


@ Israel

As for Israel, they do not have N-submarine yet. Future orders of Dolphin class will be with AIP. But early Dolphins bought from Germany is rumored to be armed with N-capable Popeye CM with potent range of 1500+ Km. Few tests were carried out successfully in late 2000 itself. Israel is reported to possess a 200kg nuclear warhead, containing 6kg of plutonium, that could be mounted on cruise missiles. So yes, Israel has N-tipped SLBMs.

Cant IN modify Klub class to carry N-Warheads.?

 

[Rahul Singh]

First picture of Arihant

Source : livefist

So, no security reason, INS Arihant was kept away from public just to be shown for first time in UPA report card?

In the hands of this kind of politicians India is certainly not safe..