Indian nuclear submarines

[Vamsi]

Looks somewhat different from the other SLBM launches, looks more like granit launch looking at exhaust plumes?

once @porky_kicker explained about it.

 

[omaebakabaka]

once @porky_kicker explained about it.

Just thinking a bit bore, may be gas bubble due to being pushed out and then immediately orientation thrusters kicking off creating that illusion possibly?

 

[Super falcon]

What we are building is ssbn
What we are leasing is ssn
Pls do your research
And don't ask difference btw them learn by yourself

If you have far better SSBN why you need just nuclear power sub which runs in nuke fuel but can't fire ballistic missiles it's waste of money just go for more AIP subs which are much quieter than these risky subs which are used as convenient subs

 

[Super falcon]

The most recent nuclear submarine which we had leased was INS Chakra (Akula class SSN), the submarine was sent back to Russia in June 2021. After that we didn't lease anymore nuclear powered submarines from any nation.

Thank you sir

 

[Super Flanker]

If you have far better SSBN why you need just nuclear power sub which runs in nuke fuel but can't fire ballistic missiles it's waste of money just go for more AIP subs which are much quieter than these risky subs which are used as convenient subs

SSN and SSBN are two different types of nuclear Submarines, SSNs are used as attack submarines whereas SSBNs are primarily meant as a nuclear deterrent. Nuclear powered subs today have an advantage over conventional submarines, do you know what advantage that is? It is that nuclear submarines have far longer endurance than a conventional sub (i.e diesel electric submarine). You will need that long endurance if you are going to stay under the sea submerged for long periods of time. If SSNs were waste of Money then US, Russia, China etc would not invest so much in R&D of them.

Thank you sir

You are welcome.

 

[jai jaganath]

If you have far better SSBN why you need just nuclear power sub which runs in nuke fuel but can't fire ballistic missiles it's waste of money just go for more AIP subs which are much quieter than these risky subs which are used as convenient subs

 

[Concard]

If you have far better SSBN why you need just nuclear power sub which runs in nuke fuel but can't fire ballistic missiles it's waste of money just go for more AIP subs which are much quieter than these risky subs which are used as convenient subs

@Super Flanker has already explained why SSN's are needed. From the Indian Navy perspective they will use a mix of AIP subs and SSN's. SSBN's are used in defensive role that is nuclear second strike capability when all your nuclear sites are wiped out. I doubt we will ever come to that since MAD is a thing. With SSN's you can rule vast areas of ocean. Why do you think Chinese peed in their pants when Australia said they are going to buy SSN's from US and UK under AUKUS deal? They are planning to buy just 8 SSN's from US/UK. That is more than enough to do damage to Chinese shipping routes. Even one nuclear attack submarine is too many.

PS: US uses only SSN's and SSBN's. They don't have any AIP submarines even for protecting their shores which is understandable since no country's subs can travel that far and sneak up on their shores without detection. On the other hand India needs both AIP subs and SSN's in their strategic calculations for better deterrence.

 

[Love Charger]

Thank you sir

Aisa nai hai, we were about to lease another ssn .
These are attack submarines but they cannot launch ballistic missiles from them.
SSBN. are those which launch ballistic missiles.
Arihant class is a ssbn. While india till now leased a charlie class submarine. In 1988 , named ins chakra from ussr . Which was a ssn
Then we leased another one , this time akula class, Russians called it K 152 Nerpa , we called ins Chakra . Which also was a ssn
There were talks going on to lease yet another ssn ,
From akula 2 class

 

[anirban8]

If you have far better SSBN why you need just nuclear power sub which runs in nuke fuel but can't fire ballistic missiles it's waste of money just go for more AIP subs which are much quieter than these risky subs which are used as convenient subs

SSNs are the technologically superior ones. Also, you don't actually ever launch ballistic missiles IRL(Yes all the threats of launching Nukes are just shit show nothing else) so SSBNs are useless in an actual war scenario

 

[anirban8]

And what's with all the hype around AIPs I never really understood. According to me they are the most useless dead weight thing carried on a sub(especially after lithium batteries on sub became a thing)

 

[lcafanboy]

If you have far better SSBN why you need just nuclear power sub which runs in nuke fuel but can't fire ballistic missiles it's waste of money just go for more AIP subs which are much quieter than these risky subs which are used as convenient subs

Ok by that logic.
If you have beutiful looking petrol driven 4x4 Isuzu pickup with 500kg load capacity there's no need in this world for a 3 or 4 or 5 axle diesel Truck with 20 to 40 tons load capacity as the latter is ugly looking and diesel engine makes lots of NOISE.....
Great thinking DFI's EINSTEIN....

 

[rohit b3]

We need 2 SSNs for our 2 CBGs, for another 10 year lease till our own Project 17A SSNs start entering service.

 

[Immortal]

SSNs are the technologically superior ones. Also, you don't actually ever launch ballistic missiles IRL(Yes all the threats of launching Nukes are just shit show nothing else) so SSBNs are useless in an actual war scenario

One major difference. They are hunter submarines, much quicker than AIP one’s. They can chase and hunt down other submarines.

 

[lcafanboy]

This confirms what I have always said. We underplay our capabilities. Meaning when ins Arihant is declared as operational it means we have 2 in in sea when government announced ins arighat instead of Aridhaman it means we had operationalized 2slbms and now we have all 4 in sea 2 declared small boats and 2 bigger boats S4 and S4*.and construction of SSN might also be in full swing and who knows might be on trials as ins chakra2 is no more with and Indian Navy won't allow it's capabilities to go down. Also the missile test was just the declaration of India's capabilities that we have arrived and we now want permanent UN security council seat with veto power, while the fact is ins Arihant first fired the missile in 2016 itself....

Also this could also be the reason why Chinese lizard army went back to their shit hole....

 

[Super falcon]

Ok by that logic.
If you have beutiful looking petrol driven 4x4 Isuzu pickup with 500kg load capacity there's no need in this world for a 3 or 4 or 5 axle diesel Truck with 20 to 40 tons load capacity as the latter is ugly looking and diesel engine makes lots of NOISE.....
Great thinking DFI's EINSTEIN....

Diesel engine subs don't run all the time on diesel they charge AIP batteries which can run subs UpTo 25 days

 

[Super falcon]

SSNs are the technologically superior ones. Also, you don't actually ever launch ballistic missiles IRL(Yes all the threats of launching Nukes are just shit show nothing else) so SSBNs are useless in an actual war scenario

You are right

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

This confirms what I have always said. We underplay our capabilities. Meaning when ins Arihant is declared as operational it means we have 2 in in sea when government announced ins arighat instead of Aridhaman it means we had operationalized 2slbms and now we have all 4 in sea 2 declared small boats and 2 bigger boats S4 and S4*.and construction of SSN might also be in full swing and who knows might be on trials as ins chakra2 is no more with and Indian Navy won't allow it's capabilities to go down. Also the missile test was just the declaration of India's capabilities that we have arrived and we now want permanent UN security council seat with veto power, while the fact is ins Arihant first fired the missile in 2016 itself....

Also this could also be the reason why Chinese lizard army went back to their shit hole....

Makes sense for the SSN construction to be in full swing since the approval of construction of these 6 SSN was given in Feb 2015.
Also, the original ATV programme was conceived to build a fleet of SSN and was changed into building a fleet of SSBN after the Pokhran nuclear tests, so the plans and designs would already be there.
Also, I doubt that it was only in 2016 that the INS Arihant was declared operational, way back in July 1996, All India Radio Delhi had announced that "India had developed a nuclear submarine which was undergoing testing somewhere on the East Coast".

 

[Super falcon]

Makes sense for the SSN construction to be in full swing since the approval of construction of these 6 SSN was given in Feb 2015.

Are they new or bought from france

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Are they new or bought from france

Brand new, indigenously built

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Diesel engine subs don't run all the time on diesel they charge AIP batteries which can run subs UpTo 25 days

Nuke subs can remain under water indefinitely. They only berth for loading up on food supplies. This means Indian SSBNs can be submerged under the arctic and fire a nuke missile on Rawalpindi, and then still remain untraced for a long, long time. For Pakistan, you cannot say whether the attack came from Russia or India. That is why without SSBNs you cannot have a full fledged nuclear triad. This is also the reason why only 6 countries in the world have SSBNs. They are the ultimate nuke delivery mechanism and cannot be pre-empted at all by any power. Those who have SSBNs rule the world. This is why no one gives a damn about North Korea or Pakistan though they have nukes, they have limited, unreliable delivery mechanisms. And cannot survive any second strike. At the end of the day there are only 6 countries that have the economic and military power to provide global security - P5+India. Others have to just align with one or more of these giants.