Indian nuclear submarines

[happylion]

Nuclear sibmarines are not built in a day and take time to induct. Howrver what we announce and qhat is there are different things. When we said there was one we had already another i another dock. So the true picture will not be known

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Even inducting 24-25 submarines will be impressive. Still, its a fraction of submarine fleets of US, Russia & PRC.

Inducting 1 nuclear submarine will require 250 tons of Natural Uranium. So, inducting 10 nuclear submarine will need 2500tons of natural Uranium. This will also mean diversion of Uranium from nuclear weapons programme. So, India has to be more careful about the number of nuclear submarines it is making and the timings.

USA has 18 SSBN/SSGN, and 50 SSN. Russia has 19 SSBN/SGN, 17 SSN and 22 SSK. China has 5 SSBN, 9SSN, 58 SSK and 1 SSBK.

India has 15 SSK and 2SSBN/SSN. So, inducting about 25 submarines (15SSK and 10SSBN/SSN) should raise total number of Indian submarines to 42. This will be about 65% of what either of USA, Russia or China has. That is a very respectable number.

Considering Indian peninsula structure, the geostrategic location of India close to the oil producing region and its hold over Andaman-Nicobar and Lakshadweep islands gives India much more advantage than other countries navy. Also, India can ramp up its submarine production using its various shipyards as it already has the needed technology.

Nuclear submarines are not built in a day and take time to induct. However what we announce and what is there are different things. When we said there was one we had already another i another dock. So the true picture will not be known

All items need time to be built. But that time can be significantly shortened when needed by working on 3 shifts and increasing the manpower and scaling

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Inducting 1 nuclear submarine will require 250 tons of Natural Uranium. So, inducting 10 nuclear submarine will need 2500tons of natural Uranium. This will also mean diversion of Uranium from nuclear weapons programme. So, India has to be more careful about the number of nuclear submarines it is making and the timings.

USA has 18 SSBN/SSGN, and 50 SSN. Russia has 19 SSBN/SGN, 17 SSN and 22 SSK. China has 5 SSBN, 9SSN, 58 SSK and 1 SSBK.

India has 15 SSK and 2SSBN/SSN. So, inducting about 25 submarines (15SSK and 10SSBN/SSN) should raise total number of Indian submarines to 42. This will be about 65% of what either of USA, Russia or China has. That is a very respectable number.

Considering Indian peninsula structure, the geostrategic location of India close to the oil producing region and its hold over Andaman-Nicobar and Lakshadweep islands gives India much more advantage than other countries navy. Also, India can ramp up its submarine production using its various shipyards as it already has the needed technology.

Wasn't only about nuclear, India's submarine fleet dwarfed against that of US, Russia & PRC. Along with diesel electric submarines, India needs a fleet of 60 submarines.
A big part our current fleet is going to be retired also, so new strength won't exceed 30 (and not 42) in next decade at least.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Wasn't only about nuclear, India's submarine fleet dwarfed against that of US, Russia & PRC. Along with diesel electric submarines, India needs a fleet of 60 submarines.
A big part our current fleet is going to be retired also, so new strength won't exceed 30 (and not 42) in next decade at least.

All submarines of India are post 1985 models. They will come till 2030 before decommissioning. So, assuming the submarines to be made till 2030 will be 13 SSK and 12 SSN, it will be 42.

USA, France & UK do not have SSK submarines. Only Russia, China and India have SSK. I have mentioned the number of submarines and types of USA, Russia, China and India above. Overall, USA has 68 submarines, Russia has 58 submarines and China has 73 submarines. India having 40 submarine is quite enough in comparison.

Also, there is technically no limits in the number of submarines a country can make if the technology is indigenous. We can scale up our manufacturing as per needs. India has several shipyards like MDL, HSL, GRSE, GSL, Pipavav, L&T, CSL, ABG SL, Alcock, Bombay Shipyard, Vishakapatnam Shipyard etc which can be all asked to ramp up production. So, if India needs 60 submarines, that will be built up.

The idea, however is not to drastically increase Indian strength as that can cause panic in the next door weak enemies.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

All submarines of India are post 1985 models. They will come till 2030 before decommissioning. So, assuming the submarines to be made till 2030 will be 13 SSK and 12 SSN, it will be 42.

After 2030?

The idea, however is not to drastically increase Indian strength as that can cause panic in the next door weak enemies.

Doesn't make much difference. There's only one enemy that may panic which is Pakistan. Today, its not able to win a war, 10 years later, it'll become incapable of waging a war.
50-60 submarines don't make much of difference against the enemy who's panic, given the gap of naval strength and the portion of naval strength enough to annihilate & obliterate them. So, naval strength reserved against Pak isn't going to cross a specific limit.

With a bigger submarine force, India can fight alone or through at many fronts more efficiently.

SSKs in Indian Ocean Region and SSNs patrolling even outside the region. Budget is going to remain a constraint for some time though.

 

[Jameson Emoni]

In case INS Arihant has to fire its 10-12 missiles in anger against Pakistan. Here is my list of targets.
1. GHQ
2. Chaklala
3. Islamabad
4. Karachi
5. Karachi
6. Sargodha
7. Bholari
8. Murid
9. National Development center
10.Kahuta

Fire what ever left on China.

Why no LaWhore?
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[Bhurki]

So, assuming the submarines to be made till 2030 will be 13 SSK and 12 SSN, it will be 42.

13 SSK in 12 years is certainly achievable..
However, 12 SSN ? Not even china, russia have produced SSN @1/ year.. The USN inducts around 2 SSN per year and thats a country with 15 times the military budget of India.

 

[WolfPack86]

"India Russia to develop nuclear submarine prototype under $200mil deal with full technology transfer"- Sputnik

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India and Russia had started discussions on the joint construction and development of a nuclear submarine at a very cost effective rate at an Indian shipyard to be named. According to the proposal, the two countries intend to develop a prototype for under $200 million following which the Russian firm will transfer the technical know-how and related documents to the Indian shipyard, Sputnik reported on 6 July.

The Indian Navy and the country's defence ministry have almost agreed on leasing an Akula class submarine from Russia at US $3.3 billion. A naval delegation led by General (Nuclear Safety) Vice Admiral Soonil V Bhokare recently met with officials from the finance division of the defence ministry and both sides gave a thumbs up to the proposal. The decision will be conveyed to the Russian side soon, according to India Today.

"The Indian Navy wants to have the intended submarine by 2023 but the modernisation of the submarine to meet India's needs including that of torpedoes and land-attack missiles will take more time", a person familiar with the development told Sputnik.

As Sputnik reported on 26 November, Indian Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba had discussed with Russian authorities the co-production of a conventional submarine at Indian shipyard and leasing of an Akula class submarine during his four-day visit to Russia.

Before Admiral Lanba's visit, the Indian naval delegation visited a Russian shipyard and inspected two Akula class submarines, the Bratsk, and the Samara, to select the one to be leased.
.https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamAMCA/photos/?ref=page_internal

 

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[Illusive]

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3.3 billion for a lease.....wtf

 

[Indx TechStyle]

3.3 billion for a lease.....wtf

Lease is only for cover name.

 

[sorcerer]

3.3 billion for a lease.....wtf

Yeah..permanent lease ..kinda like buying. may be .also there are a few in the making with full tech transfer..
So the amount would be the gross amount for such and such.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Lease is only for cover name.

Yeah, that is obvious. No submarine costs $3.3 billion to be built. If it is a lease then the cost will be a percentage of the total cost. So, naturally, it will involve much more than just lease

 

[Arihant Roy]

Lease is only for cover name.

If that's so then aren't we releasing the Nerpa? Why invest so much in another Akulavwhen we have the Chakra.

We leased the K-152 Nerpa for around 1 billion and not 2.5 billion as Sandeep Unnithan has said in this latest report.

We will be getting tech for our indigenous SSN under this deal. The complete hull design, and reactors.

 

[Chinmoy]

If that's so then aren't we releasing the Nerpa? Why invest so much in another Akulavwhen we have the Chakra.

We leased the K-152 Nerpa for around 1 billion and not 2.5 billion as Sandeep Unnithan has said in this latest report.

We will be getting tech for our indigenous SSN under this deal. The complete hull design, and reactors.

Lease of Akula would get expired on Jan 2022.

India had opted for a $ 2.2 billion deal for two Akula class subs. Chakra had been paid for over $1 billion for the lease period. Now with this second acquisition, we are paying $1.1 billion more by taking the base price of 2011 instead of 2004 when the first time negotiation was made for around $650 million.

 

[Kshatriya87]

"India Russia to develop nuclear submarine prototype under $200mil deal with full technology transfer"- Sputnik

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India and Russia had started discussions on the joint construction and development of a nuclear submarine at a very cost effective rate at an Indian shipyard to be named. According to the proposal, the two countries intend to develop a prototype for under $200 million following which the Russian firm will transfer the technical know-how and related documents to the Indian shipyard, Sputnik reported on 6 July.

The Indian Navy and the country's defence ministry have almost agreed on leasing an Akula class submarine from Russia at US $3.3 billion. A naval delegation led by General (Nuclear Safety) Vice Admiral Soonil V Bhokare recently met with officials from the finance division of the defence ministry and both sides gave a thumbs up to the proposal. The decision will be conveyed to the Russian side soon, according to India Today.

"The Indian Navy wants to have the intended submarine by 2023 but the modernisation of the submarine to meet India's needs including that of torpedoes and land-attack missiles will take more time", a person familiar with the development told Sputnik.

As Sputnik reported on 26 November, Indian Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba had discussed with Russian authorities the co-production of a conventional submarine at Indian shipyard and leasing of an Akula class submarine during his four-day visit to Russia.

Before Admiral Lanba's visit, the Indian naval delegation visited a Russian shipyard and inspected two Akula class submarines, the Bratsk, and the Samara, to select the one to be leased.
.https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamAMCA/photos/?ref=page_internal

DIdn't Russia recently claim that they have a nuclear reactor 100 times smaller than the ones that americans have ? If so, why does russia need to do a JV with India to build a nuclear sub. ? Just mutual relations ?

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

DIdn't Russia recently claim that they have a nuclear reactor 100 times smaller than the ones that americans have ? If so, why does russia need to do a JV with India to build a nuclear sub. ? Just mutual relations ?

India needs the JV to get technology quickly rather than Russia. Russia and India had good mutual relations and that has lasted quite long without any betrayal. So, it can be a goodwill gesture. Russia has given India many more things in the past in goodwill

 

[Chinmoy]

DIdn't Russia recently claim that they have a nuclear reactor 100 times smaller than the ones that americans have ? If so, why does russia need to do a JV with India to build a nuclear sub. ? Just mutual relations ?

Cost. A joint venture would bring down the project cost a lot for Russia in comparison to what it would cost if they go alone.

But I highly doubt if any such project would happen keeping in mind the FGFA deal.

 

[lcafanboy]

If that's so then aren't we releasing the Nerpa? Why invest so much in another Akulavwhen we have the Chakra.

We leased the K-152 Nerpa for around 1 billion and not 2.5 billion as Sandeep Unnithan has said in this latest report.

We will be getting tech for our indigenous SSN under this deal. The complete hull design, and reactors.

Nerpa aka ins Chakra lease agreement has a clause that india can buy out ins Chakra at the end of the lease term.. so chill ins chakra is not going anywhere....

It may however need refueling for which we may have to pay for and buy out cost which we will have to pay and that may cost a bomb...

 

[shiphone]

GE updated...on Nov 26th 2018.......