Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[WolfPack86]

Russia Receives India's Request For Additional Batch Of Ka-31 Helicopters - Official
Russia has received from India a request for an additional batch of the Ka-31 helicopters for the country's Navy, the head of the Federal Service of Military-Technical Cooperation, Dmitry Shugayev, has said.

India's Economic Times newspaper reported earlier this spring that the Indian Navy would purchase six more Ka-31 helicopters from Russia. The Indian Navy uses the helicopters for radar surveillance.

"We have recently received a request for an additional delivery of Ka-31 naval helicopters," Shugayev told the National Defense magazine.


He expressed hope that Russia would implement by the end of the year the contract for delivering the Igla-S portable surface-to-air missile to India, and organizing its licensed production in the country.

"We do not exclude an additional delivery of the MiG-29UPG [destroyers]. We will certainly participate in India's tender for 110 destroyers," Shugayev said.

Defencenews.in

 

[BangaliBabu]

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India’s Next Generation Missile Boats will make Chinese Aircraft Obsolete.

Indian Navy plans to induct six new next generation Missile Boats/Vessels under make in India program. The missile vessel primary mission indicated as surface warfare unlike most other missile boats perform only Anti shipping.previously Indian navy used the Russian missile boats that can bring down entire Karachi and did awesome work in the 1971 WAR. and get the Nickname Killer Squadron. thus later replaced by the corvette’s.

It seems navy didn’t satisfied those Corvette’s they need new generation missile Boats. but here the missile vessel have 8 VLS or Tubes for Surface attack this can be added with either Nirbhay LACM ( Land Attack Cruise Missile ) or Combination of Brahmos land attack and anti shipping cruise missiles. the Nirbhay can strike target far more than 1200 kilometers with impressive loitering capability. also flies at low level and reduced RCS. so hard to be tracked by enemy air defence radars.

Mach 3 Capable Brahmos Cruise Missile is a fearsome Weapons system which even a Captain of an Aircraft carrier will fear due to its kinetic punch coming from its 300kg warhead and its ability to sink largest of the warships with ease. With MTCR restriction gone 800km BrahMos MK4 will be formidable Surface to Surface weapon system too which can be used to attack port and Naval facilities when required

Missile boats will have reduced RCS. so it will be hard to be detected by enemy ships. and along with lower acoustic signatures to make the ship hard to be detect by sonar’s. both of these specification indicates the ship hull should be stealth in design and material.

These ship will be able accomodate some 100 Navy personells include 11 officers. so the ship size provide beds and other living features and stocks food.

Range and Endurance

The ship should be attain the max speed of 35 knots. and at the cursing speed of 25 knots in any rough conditions such as sea state 4 or seat state 7 the ship should be perform it’s primary tasks as per the indicated speed. also the ship can be contentiously cruise at the speed of some 10 knots about 8 hours. and the ship should be in the sea for continuously next ten days and can able to come back to the port with 25% fuel reserve. the missile boat can also be take resupply and refuel from Tankers and Replenishment vessels to further increase the endurance and range.
Weapon Pack

Missile boats will carry 8 surface to surface missiles. but didn’t mentions stocks or reloading.

These vessel also equipped with PDMS ( Point Defence Missile System ) that can perform targets in all sides that is provide cover of 360 degree. can also be engage the sea skimming and low flying AShM who flies below 3 meters above sea level. here again the RFI didn’t mentions reloading, Range and Anti Aircraft capability. as of now Barak 8 is the only option for this.

The ship can also need a Gun that can engage both surface bombardment anti air and anti missile engagements. along with separate fire control radar.and mentioned the range more than some 15 kilometers I think OTO Melara 127/64 LW

They also informed the ship need a CIWS system which can be a stand alone version that can have Fire cotrol radar and EO ( Electro Optical ). along with target destruction of 360 degree. but the CIWS information can be normal like all others like range and detection.

Defensive Packs

The ship should have Chaff flares for confusing incoming enemy missiles. known as the ECM (elctronic Counter measure ). that can provide cover to the entire ship. the ships also accomodate small fire arms such as can hold Assault rifles for sailors and heavy machine gun and Anti material rifles for special operations. the ship also can smell the sonars who are all tracking the ships and can have high powerful search lights that can be operated by remotely. that will be very useful for search and rescue missions. the ship also can have upto three big size PTZ camera’s and two more fixed camera’s that should be work both night and day.

Radars
The ship can have main Fire Control radar that can control entire Weapons and guide them the correct directions and targets. the FCR should can accommodate with the naval comabat management system which can integrate all ships under one umbrella known as C4ISR. the ship also can have radars for Air surveillance for keep the air space under watch and another radar for surface search to keep watching surface ships movements. the ship also can have the proper Navigational system quoted in the RFI.

The dimensions and ship displacement is not listed that means the ship manufacture should accommodate all the above in the ship. no matter of dimensions and displacement.

Source:- Life Of Soldiers

Should have done a Decade ago

well, no time of start or completion period given. Good as any heresy........

 

[BangaliBabu]

Spoiler

Another fatso dressing up since eternity. Looks like the MF-STAR and the VLS works have been completed last month. Work going on for the bridge and helipad as well as for the secondary systems and subsystems.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Spoiler

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Another fatso dressing up since eternity. Looks like the MF-STAR and the VLS works have been completed last month. Work going on for the bridge and helipad as well as for the secondary systems and subsystems.

Which boat is this??

 

[BangaliBabu]

Which boat is this??

First boat of the Vishakapatnam-class.......another one progressing parallel-y

 

[BangaliBabu]

Spoiler

Posted it here since the looks and intent of this vessel, I opine, is to provide proximal ballistic protection to a future CSG of IN comprising INS Vikrant (I may be wrong).......

(spoiler shouldn't be removed)

 

[WolfPack86]

India will have the 3rd most Powerful Navy in the world by 2030
India ::

The Indian Navy will be the second (or third, if you count Russia) Asian navy on this list. India has recently begun pouring enormous resources into its naval service, and as a result by 2030 could have one of the top five navies on the planet.

Barring unforeseen naval developments in other countries, by 2030 India will have the second largest carrier fleet in the world, with three flattops. If all goes according to plan, India should have three aircraft carriers: Vikramaditya, Vikrant and Vishal, together fielding a total of about 110–120 aircraft.

India will also have at least nine destroyers, including two guided missiles of the Kolkata class, three of the Delhi class, and four of the in-construction Visakhapatnam class. This is one less than what India has at present, and the number of hulls will have to increase if India is serious about protecting three aircraft carriers. Roughly two-thirds of the Indian Navy’s frigate fleet is modern enough to make it to 2030, particularly the Shivalik and Talwar classes, but India will have to increase the number of frigates overall—especially if Pakistan is serious about putting nuclear weapons on submarines.

India is in the process of standing up a sea-based leg of its nuclear triad, with the first ballistic missile submarine, Arihant, expected to be operational soon. Three Arihant subs are planned and an overall “boomer” fleet of six submarines is expected.

Defencenews.in

 

[BangaliBabu]

India will have the 3rd most Powerful Navy in the world by 2030
India ::

The Indian Navy will be the second (or third, if you count Russia) Asian navy on this list. India has recently begun pouring enormous resources into its naval service, and as a result by 2030 could have one of the top five navies on the planet.

Barring unforeseen naval developments in other countries, by 2030 India will have the second largest carrier fleet in the world, with three flattops. If all goes according to plan, India should have three aircraft carriers: Vikramaditya, Vikrant and Vishal, together fielding a total of about 110–120 aircraft.

India will also have at least nine destroyers, including two guided missiles of the Kolkata class, three of the Delhi class, and four of the in-construction Visakhapatnam class. This is one less than what India has at present, and the number of hulls will have to increase if India is serious about protecting three aircraft carriers. Roughly two-thirds of the Indian Navy’s frigate fleet is modern enough to make it to 2030, particularly the Shivalik and Talwar classes, but India will have to increase the number of frigates overall—especially if Pakistan is serious about putting nuclear weapons on submarines.

India is in the process of standing up a sea-based leg of its nuclear triad, with the first ballistic missile submarine, Arihant, expected to be operational soon. Three Arihant subs are planned and an overall “boomer” fleet of six submarines is expected.

Defencenews.in

I'm the Indian Navy and my future fleet is in limbo due to red tape

 

[fire starter]

EMCCA Mk-4 , India's indigenously developed Combat Management System (CMS) for Kolkata-class Stealth Destroyers.

4 million lines of codes have been written to develop the advanced combat management system. The system is designed so that all the data about the surrounding threat comes in one place, along with analysis about the kind of threat. The system also advises the commanding officer about the kind of weaponry he should use to tackle the threat in real-time.

The ship is equipped with sophisticated digital networks, such as Asynchronous Transfer Mode based Integrated Ship Data Network (AISDN), Combat Management System (CMS), Automatic Power Management System (APMS) and Auxiliary Control System (ACS). The AISDN is the information highway on which data from all the sensors and weapon ride. The CMS is used to integrate information from other platforms using indigenous data-link system, to provide Maritime Domain Awareness. The intricate power supply management is done using APMS, and remote control and monitoring of machinery is achieved through the ACS

 

[ladder]

India will also have at least nine destroyers, including two guided missiles of the Kolkata class, three of the Delhi class, and four of the in-construction Visakhapatnam class.

Is the author of this article planning to send one of the Kolkata (P15A) class destroyers to Davy Jones's locker by 2030??

 

[fire starter]

DRDO USHUS Sonar of India , which detected One of America's Most silent Nuclear Submarine...

USHUS is an integrated sonar system developed by DRDO for use in Indian Navy submarines. USHUS is used for detecting and tracking enemy submarines, surface vessels, and torpedoes and can be used for underwater communication and avoiding obstacles. The sonar can work in both active and passive mode, and is capable of interception and underwater communication.

An operation under the high profile naval exercise MALABAR, between the navies of India, USA and Japan, featured a simulated battle to hunt and destroy each other's submarines. Locked in this match were two prowlers, the INS Sindhudhvaj (S56), a Soviet-designed EKM class of conventional submarine and the USS City of Corpus Christi (SSN705), a nuclear-powered attack submarine which functions like a fighter plane - scramble and destroy enemy submarines and ships. The crew of both the vessels were asked to hunt the other down in a general area of the Bay of Bengal, based on 'available int'. They, subsequently dived.

Hours later, as they still searched the Americans were informed that the game was over already.

Unknown, they had been marked, tailed and suitably 'annihilated' by the 533 mm torpedos 'fired' by their Indian counterparts from on board the INS Sindhudhvaj. What came as a clincher to the Indian side was the tool which detected the USS Corpus Christi - the 'made in India' Ushus SONAR (Sound Navigation and Ranging) which was recently installed. "The way it happens is that the Sindhudhvaj recorded the Hydrophonic Effect (HE) - simply put, underwater noise - of the nuclear powered submarine and managed to positively identify it before locking on to it. Being an exercise what did not happen was the firing," explained a naval officer.

USHUS is primarily designed to be used in Sindhughosh class submarines, though it is reported to be fitted in India's Arihant-class Nuclear-powered Ballistic missile submarines as well. USHUS is reported to be superior to its Russian equivalents.

By April 2013, five Sindhughosh class submarines of the navy were upgraded to include the USHUS system. They are, in order of their upgrade, Sindhuvir, Sindhuratna, Sindugosh, Sinduvijay and Sindhurakshak. INS Sindhuvir is now transferred to the Myanmar Navy.

Source- The Defenstar / India Today / Wiki

 

[BangaliBabu]

DRDO USHUS Sonar of India , which detected One of America's Most silent Nuclear Submarine...

USHUS is an integrated sonar system developed by DRDO for use in Indian Navy submarines. USHUS is used for detecting and tracking enemy submarines, surface vessels, and torpedoes and can be used for underwater communication and avoiding obstacles. The sonar can work in both active and passive mode, and is capable of interception and underwater communication.

An operation under the high profile naval exercise MALABAR, between the navies of India, USA and Japan, featured a simulated battle to hunt and destroy each other's submarines. Locked in this match were two prowlers, the INS Sindhudhvaj (S56), a Soviet-designed EKM class of conventional submarine and the USS City of Corpus Christi (SSN705), a nuclear-powered attack submarine which functions like a fighter plane - scramble and destroy enemy submarines and ships. The crew of both the vessels were asked to hunt the other down in a general area of the Bay of Bengal, based on 'available int'. They, subsequently dived.

Hours later, as they still searched the Americans were informed that the game was over already.

Unknown, they had been marked, tailed and suitably 'annihilated' by the 533 mm torpedos 'fired' by their Indian counterparts from on board the INS Sindhudhvaj. What came as a clincher to the Indian side was the tool which detected the USS Corpus Christi - the 'made in India' Ushus SONAR (Sound Navigation and Ranging) which was recently installed. "The way it happens is that the Sindhudhvaj recorded the Hydrophonic Effect (HE) - simply put, underwater noise - of the nuclear powered submarine and managed to positively identify it before locking on to it. Being an exercise what did not happen was the firing," explained a naval officer.

USHUS is primarily designed to be used in Sindhughosh class submarines, though it is reported to be fitted in India's Arihant-class Nuclear-powered Ballistic missile submarines as well. USHUS is reported to be superior to its Russian equivalents.

By April 2013, five Sindhughosh class submarines of the navy were upgraded to include the USHUS system. They are, in order of their upgrade, Sindhuvir, Sindhuratna, Sindugosh, Sinduvijay and Sindhurakshak. INS Sindhuvir is now transferred to the Myanmar Navy.

Source- The Defenstar / India Today / Wiki
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we came a long way from that report.......I think we have much superior versions now. Thing is, where do we stand wrt photonic systems in the radar mast?? Do we have a non-penetrating hull fitted with a periscope in our nuclear subs?? How much HE effect of our nuke subs have we reduced due to streamlining the boats.......or are we stuck with a boomer hump?? What other noise reduction systems did we incorporate?

 

[Prashant12]

HAL may enter as government revisits Navy chopper plan

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[Karthi]

USHUS-2 an Integrated Submarine Sonar System which physically and functionally replaces the MGK-400 and MGK-519 Sonars on four EKM class of submarines. USHUS-2 is a state of art upgrade of NPOL designed sonar USHUS in terms of the technology and sonar capabilities. USHUS is operational onboard five of the nine frontline EKM submarines of Indian Navy. USHUS-2 is a world class sonar suite, tailored for the remaining four EKM class of submarines.


USHUS-2 sonar suite includes

Passive Sonar
Active Sonar
Intercept Sonar
Obstacle Avoidance Sonar
and Underwater Telephony.

USHUS-2 is currently in installation phase in IN designated platforms.

DRDOs new Submarine Sonar Suite SMS-X.

SMS X consists of 5 SONAR system

PASSIVE SONAR: Listening to the various acoustic signs, target them , further engagement goes to active mode.

ACTIVE SONAR: listen and sends the signals.

INTERCEPT SONAR: For intercepting the Communication data of other subs/acoustic signals.

OBSTACLE AVOIDANCE SONAR: For underwater navigation, helps to avoid hitting the structures/target upfront.

UNDERWATER COMMUNICATION SYSTEM/SONAR: Communicate with other ships and subs.

SMS X and USHUS 2 looks very similar , probably an upgrade if USHUS 2

 

[WolfPack86]

Government likely to allow HAL in Navy’s Helicopter competition
The defence ministry is re-evaluating its big ‘Make in India’ plan to manufacture naval utility helicopters. The companies have been asked to explain if the programme has export potential and the Centre is also looking at giving Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) a chance to enter the competition. The Rs 21,000-crore plan to manufacture naval utility helicopters in partnership with a foreign vendor has been in the works for over a year and important decisions on going to the next step of technical evaluation have to be taken shortly. Sources said queries have been sent to Indian and foreign companies bidding for the project to understand if there are plans to continue the line beyond the 111helicopters envisaged to meet exports in both civil and military markets. The ministry is also assessing if a lesser number of choppers were to be ordered, what the impact would be on technology transfer and cost viability. There is an apprehension that the project could be cut down in numbers as the ministry is revising all procurement plans due to an anticipated budget cut. Sources also said the HAL, which has been making a strong pitch for its Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH), could get a chance to enter the competition if it is able to develop compliant prototypes, within a specified period of time. The state-owned company has been pitching a naval variant of the ALH with folding rotor blades and tail but is yet to develop a prototype.

Government likely to allow HAL in Navy’s Helicopter competition – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[arkos]

^ Why pitch ALH when they can offer Ka-226T ?

 

[WolfPack86]

So #HAL is getting a golden chance to showcase their capability by producing the required prototype for #IndianNavy NUH program? If HAL becomes successful India can project the platform for export too .

 

[IndianHawk]

So I was looking at our naval buildup in free time .
Here is a summary of what is under construction and what is ordered.

4 ssbn arihant class 2 *6000 ton + 2* 7000 ton = 26000ton.
3 S5 class ssbn ordered = 3*14000=42000 ton .
6 ssn over next two decades = 6*6000= 36000ton approved.

6 Scorpio class 6*1800=10800ton.
6 p75i approved . 12 indegeious ssk to follow.

Ins vikrant 40000ton almost ready.

4 vishakhapattnam class destroyer=4*7500= 30000ton.

11 frigrates 7 nilgiri class 7*6600= 46200ton
4 talwar class 4*4500=18000ton.

16 asw scw Corvette 16*700=11200ton.
6 next gen Corvette approved . 6 ngmv also approved.

More OPVs.

Also 5 support ship =5*45000= 225000ton.

Seems like a massive buildup.

For example we are currently building 4 destroyer + 11 frigrates all shall be ready by 2027 . While entire royal navy ( UK) operate total 6 destroyer and 13 frigate !

Am I missing something major please add.

 

[aarav]

So I was looking at our naval buildup in free time .
Here is a summary of what is under construction and what is ordered.

4 ssbn arihant class 2 *6000 ton + 2* 7000 ton = 26000ton.
3 S5 class ssbn ordered = 3*14000=42000 ton .
6 ssn over next two decades = 6*6000= 36000ton approved.

6 Scorpio class 6*1800=10800ton.
6 p75i approved . 12 indegeious ssk to follow.

Ins vikrant 40000ton almost ready.

4 vishakhapattnam class destroyer=4*7500= 30000ton.

11 frigrates 7 nilgiri class 7*6600= 46200ton
4 talwar class 4*4500=18000ton.

16 asw scw Corvette 16*700=11200ton.
6 next gen Corvette approved . 6 ngmv also approved.

More OPVs.

Also 5 support ship =5*45000= 225000ton.

Seems like a massive buildup.

For example we are currently building 4 destroyer + 11 frigrates all shall be ready by 2027 . While entire royal navy ( UK) operate total 6 destroyer and 13 frigate !

Am I missing something major please add.

There is also a programme for 4 LHD/LPD & 6 more Boeing P8i other than the 12 ,6 MCMV minesweepers,24 ASW MH60R helicopters & 22 sea guardian drones

 

[Karthi]

Sikorsky officially signed a contract with the US Navy to provide 24 examples of the MH-60R helicopter to the Indian navy for anti-submarine warfare. The $905 million deal with New Delhi was anticipated, as it was reportedly cleared by the Indian Ministry of Defence in February.

The sale will be handled by the USN via the Foreign Military Sale process. The first helicopter delivery to the Indian Navy is anticipated in spring 2021. In the official US government contract notice, the USN is ordering three MH-60Rs, while India is ordering 21 examples. “The US Navy has allowed us to leverage three aircraft from their inventory of brand new aircraft that have never been introduced into the fleet — in order to provide them to the Indian Navy so they can begin training on a more accelerated basis than might normally be possible,” says Tom Kane, director of Sikorsky naval helicopter programmes. Sikorsky declines to say what weapons and subsystems the Indian navy’s MH-60Rs would have.

However, the manufacturer says the equipment would enable anti-submarine and anti-ship warfare, as well as special operations, search and rescue, utility, vertical replenishment, and command and control missions. Previously, the helicopters were to include weapons such as AGM-114 Hellfire missiles, Advanced Precision Kill Weapons System rockets and Mk54 torpedoes and crew served guns, according to a Foreign Military Sales approval notice sent to the US Congress in 2019. The package was also to include multi-mode radars, sonobuoys and multi-spectral targeting systems. However, that former notice valued the possible deal at $2.6 billion, much higher than the package announced today, so it is not clear what weapons and related equipment would be included in the final sale. ”The initial value of $905 million as announced by the US Navy today is for production of these aircraft.

Additional follow-on work is required for unique modifications and systems, which is currently going through the bid and proposal process,” says Kane, noting Sikorsky is still negotiating with the US government. ”Prices can vary depending on specific requirements, unique equipment, length and scale of support, training and logistics packages.” The main operator of the MH-60R helicopter is the USN, which has 289 examples in its fleet. It plans to fly the aircraft through 2040. The Royal Danish Navy, Royal Australian Navy and Royal Saudi Naval Forces fly the aircraft as well. The Indian navy is also searching for 111 Naval Utility Helicopters to replace its aging fleet of Hindustan Aeronautics Chetak helicopters. Those new helicopters are intended for search and rescue, casualty evacuation, passenger and cargo transportation and torpedo drop roles. India wants 95 helicopters out of the 111 Naval Utility Helicopters to be manufactured in country.