Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Akula]

FINALLY some increasing in share of Navy.
Air force got slashed tho:biggrin2:

Navy's budget increased only by 532cr............

 

[Suryavanshi]

FINALLY some increasing in share of Navy.
Air force got slashed tho:biggrin2:

Shouldn't they spend more on R&D in defence, or is it decided by internal committee of defence wings.

 

[Knowitall]

The first thing should be to develop policies that favour public private partnership or only on the basis of merit and cost. penalize those heavily who deliver substandard quality goods and bar them if they keep on repeating the same thing.

Bar foreign companies from big ticket projects where we are achieving self sufficiency.

Provide private companies with a equal and level playing field if they are sure that they won't be discriminated against and have a fair chance slowly but steadily money will flow in too.

What's the use of all this R&D when we will buy imported maal like fools anyways.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

:biggrin2:
Indian army will be forced to eat yellow dall now.

 

[abhay rajput]

All three force captial acquisition - 15.90 billion dollars... That means more than 80 billion dollars in 5 years ..in other words even if we minus 10 billion dollars for committed liabilities . Even then 70 billion dollars , you can buy a lot of stuff if used wisely like Pakis do.. for example we can buy 114 Rafale at 25 billion dollars and 123 Tejas at 10 billion dollars.. navy can have p8 and helicopter at 10 billion dollars and 10 billion on new ships... And army can have 15 billion and can modernised it's soldiers completely.. all can be done yet our babus are worse than anything . There is always a tension between army and IAS for obvious reasons.. that's why even with minimal budget Pakis spend there money wisely because there is no bureaucracy in Pakistan

 

[Suryavanshi]

All three force captial acquisition - 15.90 billion dollars... That means more than 80 billion dollars in 5 years ..in other words even if we minus 10 billion dollars for committed liabilities . Even then 70 billion dollars , you can buy a lot of stuff if used wisely like Pakis do.. for example we can buy 114 Rafale at 25 billion dollars and 123 Tejas at 10 billion dollars.. navy can have p8 and helicopter at 10 billion dollars and 10 billion on new ships... And army can have 15 billion and can modernised it's soldiers completely.. all can be done yet our babus are worse than anything . There is always a tension between army and IAS for obvious reasons.. that's why even with minimal budget Pakis spend there money wisely because there is no bureaucracy in Pakistan

Pending project.

IAF

ORCA
TEDBF
MK1A
MK2
MWF
AMCA
LCH
HAL RUDRA
Kaveri
K 10
And a lot more

 

[abhay rajput]

Pending project.

IAF

ORCA
TEDBF
MK1A
MK2
MWF
AMCA
LCH
HAL RUDRA
Kaveri
K 10
And a lot more

I am only talking about captial acquisition .. none of the money from captial acquisition support this... Many projects you have mentioned are gonna be in production stage after 5 years.. I have already counted Tejas in it..

 

[ezsasa]

:biggrin2:
Indian army will be forced to eat yellow dall now.

only the gernails. .

 

[SRao]

Here are scientists in the US finding out-of-the-box uses for commercial planes, and what I was suggesting with Viraat was similar but for navy! https://www.yahoo.com/news/mad-scientists-darpa-turning-cargo-123000293.html
We need people who can think like this, and not pooh-pooh such ideas ased on some out-moded concepts of maintenance/cost etc.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Navy’s eagerness to buy $20 billion aircraft carrier cuts into funds for Army & Air Force
SAURAV JHA

Indian Navy’s proposal, however, is yet to secure an ‘in principle’ approval from the ministry of defence.

Why has the Indian Navy been so eager to acquire a new 65,000-tonne aircraft carrier, putatively called INS Vishal, for north of $20 billion?

Many would perhaps find the Indian Navy’s enthusiasm a little strange at a time when the service is desperately short of submarines and ship-borne helicopters.


The answer to the above question lies in the fact that large aircraft carriers with an on-board launch system, especially of the kind the Indian Navy wants to build, offer unmatched utility for a variety of tasks including anti-submarine warfare (ASW), despite the aforementioned vulnerabilities.

However, the price tag for INS Vishal has made the ministry of defence (MoD) chary of giving it the go ahead. It has been almost a year since the proposal began circulating in the MoD’s decision chain, but is yet to secure even an ‘in principle’ approval.

Green lighting the project would mean redirecting capital outlay meant for the modernisation of Indian Army and the Indian Air Force toward the Navy, something that would be intensely resisted.

Also read: Modi govt okays buying 111 helicopters for desperate Indian Navy

Indications are that this proposal is unlikely to see serious bureaucratic movement before 2022. This would mean that INS Vishal will be ready for commissioning only by around 2040, given the standard building time in India. The Indian Navy’s cherished dream of operating a three-carrier naval force by the 2030s, with one carrier each being available for either seaboard at all times, appears unlikely to be realised.


That would certainly be a blow for the Indian Navy, which has enshrined the three-carrier requirement in its Maritime Capability Perspective Plan (MCPP) for the period 2012-27. And, it has been working closely with the United States via the Joint Working Group on Aircraft Carrier Technology Co-operation (JWGACTC) to realise this ambition in the form of INS Vishal.

Exposure to the US carrier practices and technology has played a major role in the Navy arriving at the specifications for INS Vishal, which will be designed to use an Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) imported from the US. EMALS may lead to INS Vishal exhibiting superior operational performance in comparison to aircraft carriers using traditional steam catapults for launching their aircraft.

Confident that it would be able to acquire a state-of-the art carrier through American assistance that will put it ahead of the Chinese in terms of quality, the Navy had even floated a request for information (RFI) for some 57 fighters that would form Vishal’s air group in January 2017.

Unsurprisingly, quality comes at a price. Although the Indian Navy has dropped its earlier plans of making INS Vishal nuclear-propelled, the projected cost of the ship alone is easily in the $10-billion range and that is as of today.

Also read: The militaries of nuclear-armed India, Pakistan, China are suddenly friendly. Why?

Judging by the IAF’s Rafale deal, the proposed air group consisting of either Rafales or F-18s will cost another $12 billion or so. Simply put, with its current price tag, INS Vishal project is unlikely to see light of the day anytime soon when both the Army and the Air Force are equipping themselves for possibly fighting an ‘intense’ 10-15 day limited war with either of India’s neighbours.


The IAF also seems to have successfully made a case for using fighters based in the Andaman & Nicobar Islands to fulfil some of the roles INS Vishal’s air group would have executed.

Not sanctioning INS Vishal will also have attendant costs. The trained workforce at Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL) that built the 40,000-tonne INS Vikrant (India’s first indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) and due for commissioning in 2020) will be lost, alongside attenuation in the supply chain.

Indeed, a case could be made for building a more modest INS Vishal, which would basically be an enlarged INS Vikrant and would host a group of indigenous LCA-Navy Mark 2 fighters that are currently under development. To be sure, this option might not easily find favour with the Navy, which obviously does not want the Vishal to be just a modest step-up from its current carriers.

Also read: It has been 5 years but India still has no answers on its biggest peacetime military loss

Nonetheless, a more limited INS Vishal can be built relatively quickly and economically by CSL, which is currently setting up a new dry dock suitable for building super-carriers. For now, the Navy can consider setting up a ‘joint project body’ with the Department of Atomic Energy (DAE) and the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) on the lines of ‘Project Akanksha’, which oversees India’s nuclear submarine projects, to commence construction on a large nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in the late 2020s. By that time, New Delhi will likely be able to afford it.

Saurav Jha is a former consultant to FICCI’s International Division and Chief Editor of Delhi Defence Review. His Twitter handle is @SJha1618

 

[Akula]

Navy’s eagerness to buy $20 billion aircraft carrier cuts into funds for Army & Air Force
SAURAV JHA

Indian Navy’s proposal, however, is yet to secure an ‘in principle’ approval from the ministry of defence.

Why has the Indian Navy been so eager to acquire a new 65,000-tonne aircraft carrier, putatively called INS Vishal, for north of $20 billion?

Many would perhaps find the Indian Navy’s enthusiasm a little strange at a time when the service is desperately short of submarines and ship-borne helicopters.


The answer to the above question lies in the fact that large aircraft carriers with an on-board launch system, especially of the kind the Indian Navy wants to build, offer unmatched utility for a variety of tasks including anti-submarine warfare (ASW), despite the aforementioned vulnerabilities.

However, the price tag for INS Vishal has made the ministry of defence (MoD) chary of giving it the go ahead. It has been almost a year since the proposal began circulating in the MoD’s decision chain, but is yet to secure even an ‘in principle’ approval.

Green lighting the project would mean redirecting capital outlay meant for the modernisation of Indian Army and the Indian Air Force toward the Navy, something that would be intensely resisted.

Also read: Modi govt okays buying 111 helicopters for desperate Indian Navy

Indications are that this proposal is unlikely to see serious bureaucratic movement before 2022. This would mean that INS Vishal will be ready for commissioning only by around 2040, given the standard building time in India. The Indian Navy’s cherished dream of operating a three-carrier naval force by the 2030s, with one carrier each being available for either seaboard at all times, appears unlikely to be realised.


That would certainly be a blow for the Indian Navy, which has enshrined the three-carrier requirement in its Maritime Capability Perspective Plan (MCPP) for the period 2012-27. And, it has been working closely with the United States via the Joint Working Group on Aircraft Carrier Technology Co-operation (JWGACTC) to realise this ambition in the form of INS Vishal.

Exposure to the US carrier practices and technology has played a major role in the Navy arriving at the specifications for INS Vishal, which will be designed to use an Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) imported from the US. EMALS may lead to INS Vishal exhibiting superior operational performance in comparison to aircraft carriers using traditional steam catapults for launching their aircraft.

Confident that it would be able to acquire a state-of-the art carrier through American assistance that will put it ahead of the Chinese in terms of quality, the Navy had even floated a request for information (RFI) for some 57 fighters that would form Vishal’s air group in January 2017.

Unsurprisingly, quality comes at a price. Although the Indian Navy has dropped its earlier plans of making INS Vishal nuclear-propelled, the projected cost of the ship alone is easily in the $10-billion range and that is as of today.

Also read: The militaries of nuclear-armed India, Pakistan, China are suddenly friendly. Why?

Judging by the IAF’s Rafale deal, the proposed air group consisting of either Rafales or F-18s will cost another $12 billion or so. Simply put, with its current price tag, INS Vishal project is unlikely to see light of the day anytime soon when both the Army and the Air Force are equipping themselves for possibly fighting an ‘intense’ 10-15 day limited war with either of India’s neighbours.


The IAF also seems to have successfully made a case for using fighters based in the Andaman & Nicobar Islands to fulfil some of the roles INS Vishal’s air group would have executed.

Not sanctioning INS Vishal will also have attendant costs. The trained workforce at Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL) that built the 40,000-tonne INS Vikrant (India’s first indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) and due for commissioning in 2020) will be lost, alongside attenuation in the supply chain.

Indeed, a case could be made for building a more modest INS Vishal, which would basically be an enlarged INS Vikrant and would host a group of indigenous LCA-Navy Mark 2 fighters that are currently under development. To be sure, this option might not easily find favour with the Navy, which obviously does not want the Vishal to be just a modest step-up from its current carriers.

Also read: It has been 5 years but India still has no answers on its biggest peacetime military loss

Nonetheless, a more limited INS Vishal can be built relatively quickly and economically by CSL, which is currently setting up a new dry dock suitable for building super-carriers. For now, the Navy can consider setting up a ‘joint project body’ with the Department of Atomic Energy (DAE) and the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) on the lines of ‘Project Akanksha’, which oversees India’s nuclear submarine projects, to commence construction on a large nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in the late 2020s. By that time, New Delhi will likely be able to afford it.

Saurav Jha is a former consultant to FICCI’s International Division and Chief Editor of Delhi Defence Review. His Twitter handle is @SJha1618

Ordering another INS Vikrant class carrier makes sense.

 

[Akula]

I have a question, why hasn't Navy tied up with Spanish,French or Italian naval design bureau for LHD program by modifying INS Vikrant design.

 

[IndianHawk]

Navy’s eagerness to buy $20 billion aircraft carrier cuts into funds for Army & Air Force
SAURAV JHA

Indian Navy’s proposal, however, is yet to secure an ‘in principle’ approval from the ministry of defence.

Why has the Indian Navy been so eager to acquire a new 65,000-tonne aircraft carrier, putatively called INS Vishal, for north of $20 billion?

Many would perhaps find the Indian Navy’s enthusiasm a little strange at a time when the service is desperately short of submarines and ship-borne helicopters.


The answer to the above question lies in the fact that large aircraft carriers with an on-board launch system, especially of the kind the Indian Navy wants to build, offer unmatched utility for a variety of tasks including anti-submarine warfare (ASW), despite the aforementioned vulnerabilities.

However, the price tag for INS Vishal has made the ministry of defence (MoD) chary of giving it the go ahead. It has been almost a year since the proposal began circulating in the MoD’s decision chain, but is yet to secure even an ‘in principle’ approval.

Green lighting the project would mean redirecting capital outlay meant for the modernisation of Indian Army and the Indian Air Force toward the Navy, something that would be intensely resisted.

Also read: Modi govt okays buying 111 helicopters for desperate Indian Navy

Indications are that this proposal is unlikely to see serious bureaucratic movement before 2022. This would mean that INS Vishal will be ready for commissioning only by around 2040, given the standard building time in India. The Indian Navy’s cherished dream of operating a three-carrier naval force by the 2030s, with one carrier each being available for either seaboard at all times, appears unlikely to be realised.


That would certainly be a blow for the Indian Navy, which has enshrined the three-carrier requirement in its Maritime Capability Perspective Plan (MCPP) for the period 2012-27. And, it has been working closely with the United States via the Joint Working Group on Aircraft Carrier Technology Co-operation (JWGACTC) to realise this ambition in the form of INS Vishal.

Exposure to the US carrier practices and technology has played a major role in the Navy arriving at the specifications for INS Vishal, which will be designed to use an Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) imported from the US. EMALS may lead to INS Vishal exhibiting superior operational performance in comparison to aircraft carriers using traditional steam catapults for launching their aircraft.

Confident that it would be able to acquire a state-of-the art carrier through American assistance that will put it ahead of the Chinese in terms of quality, the Navy had even floated a request for information (RFI) for some 57 fighters that would form Vishal’s air group in January 2017.

Unsurprisingly, quality comes at a price. Although the Indian Navy has dropped its earlier plans of making INS Vishal nuclear-propelled, the projected cost of the ship alone is easily in the $10-billion range and that is as of today.

Also read: The militaries of nuclear-armed India, Pakistan, China are suddenly friendly. Why?

Judging by the IAF’s Rafale deal, the proposed air group consisting of either Rafales or F-18s will cost another $12 billion or so. Simply put, with its current price tag, INS Vishal project is unlikely to see light of the day anytime soon when both the Army and the Air Force are equipping themselves for possibly fighting an ‘intense’ 10-15 day limited war with either of India’s neighbours.


The IAF also seems to have successfully made a case for using fighters based in the Andaman & Nicobar Islands to fulfil some of the roles INS Vishal’s air group would have executed.

Not sanctioning INS Vishal will also have attendant costs. The trained workforce at Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL) that built the 40,000-tonne INS Vikrant (India’s first indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) and due for commissioning in 2020) will be lost, alongside attenuation in the supply chain.

Indeed, a case could be made for building a more modest INS Vishal, which would basically be an enlarged INS Vikrant and would host a group of indigenous LCA-Navy Mark 2 fighters that are currently under development. To be sure, this option might not easily find favour with the Navy, which obviously does not want the Vishal to be just a modest step-up from its current carriers.

Also read: It has been 5 years but India still has no answers on its biggest peacetime military loss

Nonetheless, a more limited INS Vishal can be built relatively quickly and economically by CSL, which is currently setting up a new dry dock suitable for building super-carriers. For now, the Navy can consider setting up a ‘joint project body’ with the Department of Atomic Energy (DAE) and the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) on the lines of ‘Project Akanksha’, which oversees India’s nuclear submarine projects, to commence construction on a large nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in the late 2020s. By that time, New Delhi will likely be able to afford it.

Saurav Jha is a former consultant to FICCI’s International Division and Chief Editor of Delhi Defence Review. His Twitter handle is @SJha1618

Very good third carrier won't come before 2035 .
That means there is enough time to develop tedbf and orca. Cancel mrfa too and put the money for
Amca and tedbf.

 

[IndianHawk]

I have a question, why hasn't Navy tied up with Spanish,French or Italian naval design bureau for LHD program by modifying INS Vikrant design.

Because all these have proper LHD design in production which can directly be build in India.
And we won't go for 40k ton lhd as that may be too costly. Probably mistral or Juan Carlos size 20-25k ton.

 

[Suryavanshi]

What is the use of LHD in Indian defence context.
We don't operate no VTOL aircraft then what is it's use?
Anti sumbarine role?

 

[porky_kicker]

Off topic , I never comment on such issues but this is necessary.

I would sincerely request people to boycott bollytard Shikara and also request their family / friends etc to boycott the movie.

This bollytard brand of sickularism must be destroyed .

It has become too pathetic and obnoxious
Feeding on the miseries on Hindus killed raped and hounded out by Islamists bastards.

Please boycott the movie

 

[Assassin 2.0]

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BEAST MODE.

 

[Gautam Sarkar]

MDL after infra upgrade :

By warships they mean Vizag class destroyer sized ships. Only concern is time taken to complete a build. That should improve with he adoption of modular construction methodologies.

 

[ladder]

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BEAST MODE.

Brahmaputra class frigates will serve till 2030 at least. Russia will deliver 2 Talwar class frigates by 2024-25. While Goa shipyard will deliver 2 Talwar frigates by 2026-29. So Frigate strength should be increased to 23.

 

[sorcerer]

Russia to deliver two Project 11356 frigates to India in first half of 2024

“In accordance the existing work schedule agreed by the sides, the Project 11356 frigates currently under construction at the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad will be handed over to the Indian Navy by the end of the first half of 2024,” the service said. Under the program, another two frigates will be built by an Indian shipyard.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/ind...-frigates-to-india-in-first-half-of-2024.html