Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Bhurki]

We would need them to project our blue water navy capabilities. We should also take into account that
1) We are the NET security provider for Indian Ocean and we have to stay strong on that one to keep the chinese out of our oceans. These are also used as a tool for launching humanitarian missions.
INFOGRAPHIC: Aircraft Carriers Do A Whole Lot More Than You Ever Thought
https://www.businessinsider.com/inf...rs-do-a-whole-lot-more-than-shoot-2012-6?IR=T

2) We have an upcoming Africa India Japan Maritime corridor part of Asia Africa Growth Corridor Story, where a lot of trade will happen from the rising economic power of African continents to the Asia. Well!! we are obliged to protect these trade routes.

3) With our allies we will be venturing out into more oceanic areas to protect out energy assets as well as our ocean mining assets for minerals and riches. Its probable in the future that these are the premises of future conflicts with some nations..not just pakistan or china.

Aircraft carriers with their armada can be a potent power projections that suits well with our strong diplomatic dance and economic coercion.

It will be an interesting thought if we could see that the IRAN conflict was solved cuz the Iranians know the potent destructive capacity of US carriers in the region

Adding to this..
They are literally floating power plants that can directly connect to the power grid to alleviate power needs.
Ford class has 1200MW+ of electric capacity.

 

[SRao]

Vikramaditya have very advanced sensor and all they can track and perform electronic warfare have several anti missile system have surveillance system.
It can also stay 600-700km away from Pakistan and launch jets and be always on the move it does have proper battle group which knows how to take on enemies group of boats.
Non of these advantages will be available with ins viraat.
We can build artificial island for that purpose just to launch aircraft but i guess we don't have money for that

In the above scenario, replace Vikramaditya with Viraat, add couple of smaller, cheaper ships(coast guard boats?) to provide advanced sensors/missiles and all the other systems you listed above, have it patrol at a distance that Tejas can handle.

I still think we are simply throwing a good carrier, just to buy some latest, expensive one, that will come only in a few more years, at best. Reuse should be the goal.

Same applies to Mig21s that are being scrapped. Why not use them as simple EWS planes that can fly in a group, like drones, networked with each other and with Su-s or Rafaels, or for air-to-air refueling?

 

[SRao]

We would need them to project our blue water navy capabilities. We should also take into account that
1) We are the NET security provider for Indian Ocean and we have to stay strong on that one to keep the chinese out of our oceans. These are also used as a tool for launching humanitarian missions.
INFOGRAPHIC: Aircraft Carriers Do A Whole Lot More Than You Ever Thought
https://www.businessinsider.com/inf...rs-do-a-whole-lot-more-than-shoot-2012-6?IR=T

2) We have an upcoming Africa India Japan Maritime corridor part of Asia Africa Growth Corridor Story, where a lot of trade will happen from the rising economic power of African continents to the Asia. Well!! we are obliged to protect these trade routes.

3) With our allies we will be venturing out into more oceanic areas to protect out energy assets as well as our ocean mining assets for minerals and riches. Its probable in the future that these are the premises of future conflicts with some nations..not just pakistan or china.

Aircraft carriers with their armada can be a potent power projections that suits well with our strong diplomatic dance and economic coercion.

It will be an interesting thought if we could see that the IRAN conflict was solved cuz the Iranians know the potent destructive capacity of US carriers in the region

Agree we need to do all that. It takes time and money. However, there is still a very good use of Viraat and other older carriers/planes in some other theater, e.g. place them in Bay of Bengal or near Andamans. Maybe at a smaller scale depending on threat perception. The image of several such Indian flotillas is a very powerful one.

 

[Bhurki]

In the above scenario, replace Vikramaditya with Viraat, add couple of smaller, cheaper ships(coast guard boats?) to provide advanced sensors/missiles and all the other systems you listed above, have it patrol at a distance that Tejas can handle.

I still think we are simply throwing a good carrier, just to buy some latest, expensive one, that will come only in a few more years, at best. Reuse should be the goal.

Same applies to Mig21s that are being scrapped. Why not use them as simple EWS planes that can fly in a group, like drones, networked with each other and with Su-s or Rafaels, or for air-to-air refueling?

Ships and jets are made up of metal, rivets, weld joints etc.
These have a definite life (30-40 years) due to factors like corrosion, fatigue, strain etc.
You can't just keep on using something in combat environment that is not even good for peacetime operations.

Viraat was in commission from 1959-2017, well over half a century.
The newest mig21 rolled off the line in 1988.

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

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What is a basin trial in contrast to sea trials

 

[bhramos]

What is a basin trial in contrast to sea trials

may be like leaving Dock, but their are also some thing like Port trails before Sea Trails........

 

[SRao]

There is no wrong answer. feel free to exchange ideas and learn new things here.. cheers...

Absolutely. Just thinking aloud some thoughts that have been bugging me for a while. No other intentions. Thanks to all for sharing their perspectives.

 

[sorcerer]

Agree we need to do all that. It takes time and money. However, there is still a very good use of Viraat and other older carriers/planes in some other theater, e.g. place them in Bay of Bengal or near Andamans. Maybe at a smaller scale depending on threat perception. The image of several such Indian flotillas is a very powerful one.

Well it could be that the maintenance cost on these old machinery will outweigh the actual use of getting something done with it.
Yes sir, your intention is a very good one. but sir, the image is only powerful one if we could get things done with it. else it will simply be an optic like many of the paki chinese toys

 

[Assassin 2.0]

But previous reports claimed that Pakistan only have on operational submarines Only 1 of its 5 submarines operational, Pakistan sends SOS to China

https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-...-repair/story-oBr1gGXTZODCVtdHsDBAPI_amp.html



@Armand2REP
How Pakistan is able to keep it's french submarines up and running? Do they have tons of extra spares or turkey is able to create spares for french subs also?. Or france have provided spares to Pakistan in recent years?

 

[Armand2REP]

@Armand2REP
How Pakistan is able to keep it's french submarines up and running? Do they have tons of extra spares or turkey is able to create spares for french subs also?.

Turkey STM is contracted for maintenance. DCNS stopped doing business with them after they killed our workers in Karachi.

 

[Deathstar]

Turkey STM is contracted for maintenance. DCNS stopped doing business with them after they killed our workers in Karachi.

Why did they kill your workers?

 

[Armand2REP]

Why did they kill your workers?

Chirac cancelled the issuing of kickbacks and the corrupt officials got mad.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

But previous reports claimed that Pakistan only have on operational submarines Only 1 of its 5 submarines operational, Pakistan sends SOS to China

https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-...-repair/story-oBr1gGXTZODCVtdHsDBAPI_amp.html



@Armand2REP
How Pakistan is able to keep it's french submarines up and running? Do they have tons of extra spares or turkey is able to create spares for french subs also?. Or france have provided spares to Pakistan in recent years?

Looks like P-8is were tracking these Pakistani submarines.. should have launched some harpoons to say hi...

 

[Craigs]

SMART Torpedo: India’s Next Big thing after BrahMos AshM in Naval Warfare


In 2016, DRDO was given funding of 340 crores for the Development of Supersonic Missile Assisted Release of Torpedo (SMART) weapon system which could be next big thing coming from India after induction of Mach 3 Capable supersonic BrahMos Anti-Ship Missile system which changed security scenario of warships operating in the Indian Ocean. Exclusive details provided to idrw.org tells why India’s Naval offensive warfare doctrine is about to get a major boost in upcoming years with the induction of the Supersonic Missile Assisted Release of Torpedo (SMART) against hostile underwater submarine force operating in the region. Supersonic Missile Assisted Release of Torpedo (SMART) has its name is a Hybrid weapon system where two-weapon capabilities are joined to make one weapon system that vastly expands the range and speed of a weapon system which has not changed much over the decades. idrw.org was told that the longest range of Heavy Torpedo system world over is usually around 50km and even rocket-assisted ones have a range of 140-150km but SMART due to Hybrid technologies will have a range of 650km.

The advantage of such a system is the impressive range which they offer and the submerged submarine won’t know till the last few minutes what is approaching them, thus limiting the reaction time of the submarine’s crew for taking evasive action and deploying countermeasures. Supersonic Missile Assisted Release of Torpedo (SMART) when launched from Warship or an Truck based Coastal Battery, will take off like a regular Supersonic missile and will cover most of its flight in the air at lower altitudes with two-way data link from the warship or an Airborne Submarine Target detection system providing the exact location of the hostile submarine to correct its flight path midway and just when it has approached close enough to the submerged submarine the missile will eject the Torpedo system into the water and the autonomous torpedo will start moving towards its target to take out submarine. Since SMART is a Hybrid weapon system it is expected that both the Supersonic missile part and the Torpedo part will be based on an existing weapon system to make it one weapon system. Since most of the details are still classified, it is speculated that Supersonic missile could be existing Supersonic missile which has been modified to incorporate an Advanced LWT (ALWT) light-water torpedo developed by India. Since Advanced LWT torpedo has a range of 30km underwater so it can be safely said that Supersonic missile which will assist the Torpedo will have a range of over 600km+ when it is in the air. SMART will be like a capsule carrying a detachable warhead that is the Torpedo which will eject in the air and the latter drops down with the help of a parachute, which gets detached when the torpedo hits the water. SMART type concept of developing a Hybrid Weapon system against submarines is not new idea, Both the United States and the Soviet Union have experimented with such Hybrid technologies at the height of Cold-war and DRDO’s SMART weapon system closely resembles Boeing ‘s UUM-125 Sea Lance developed for the United States Navy in the ’80s but later suspended. China has developed a similar system called Yu-8 ASW missile which works on the same Hybrid principle of SMART weapons system but has a range of only 40km, while it has been reported that an improved variant has been under development to double its range to 70-80 as per Chinese media but SMART will be far superior to the Chinese Yu-8 ASW missile in range and capabilities. According to the Annual Report for 2018-19 by the Ministry of Defence (MOD), In August 2018, the pneumatic ejection test of TAL dummy torpedo from canister was carried out at 150 bar which established the design of safe shear pin failure. The ejection speed of torpedo was also estimated during the trials.

idrw.org .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website https://idrw.org/smart-torpedo-indias-next-big-thing-after-brahmos-ashm-in-naval-warfare/ .

The main take away of this news is that the planners are confident of the sensor network's ability to accurately locate a submerged submarine up to several 100 Km from India's coast.

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian Navy to soon get first batch of indigenously-built torpedo Varunastra
Indian Navy will soon get the first batch of indigenously-built heavyweight anti-submarine torpedo Varunastra, giving it crucial firepower to the naval forces. The first batch will be delivered to the Navy soon and will be fitted onto Sindhu class submarines and other navy ships. This will make India one of the eight countries to have such indigenously-designed and built system.

Varunastra is capable to destroy any target, including ships and submarines, up to the range of 40 kilometres in waters. The torpedo was successfully inducted in the navy in July 2018, following which an order of 63 such systems for Rs 1187 crore was placed.


Features :


Varunastra, weighing around 1.5 tonnes, carries about 250 kg of high explosives. It carries the explosives at a speed of around 40 nautical miles an hour (74 km/hour).

The first batch of torpedoes will include those that can be fitted onto submarines and combat ships. It has been designed and developed by Naval Science and Technological Laboratory (NSTL), a premier laboratory of DRDO. The system has not been developed not only for use by the Indian Navy but will also be exported to other countries.

A torpedo is the best and most accurate ammunition to target enemy ship or submarine. The transducer of Varunastra gives it capability for a wide angle of manoeuvres, making it capable of targeting submarines from both top and bottom. The GPS locator on the device helps it accurately target the enemy vessel.

It will be carried by Kolkata class, Rajput class and Delhi class destroyers. It will also be fitted on to Kamorta class corvettes and Talwar class frigates. Indian Navy’s biggest fleet of Sindhughosh Class submarines will also carry Varunastra. The fleet currently has 9 operating vessels.

Indian Navy currently has 9 Sindhughosh Class submarines, two Kalvari Class submarines, one Chakra Class submarine (on lease from Russia) and four Shishumar Class submarines.

Indian Navy’s fleet of 16 submarines s much smaller that of China which operates 70 submarines. In that case, having the capability to indigenously develop torpedoes gives it a much-needed firepower.
https://www.defencenews.in/article/...-indigenously-built-torpedo-Varunastra-809035

 

[bhramos]

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[bhramos]

Commodore Jyoti Raina awarded the Navy Medal of Valor, after the Pulwama attack, had protected the country from the Pakistani Navy

 

[bhramos]

Indian Navy launches 'Operation Vanilla' to help cyclone-hit Madagascar https://thehindu.com/news/national/indian-navy-launches-operation-vanilla-to-help-flood-hit-madagascar/article30677388.ece… Great time action by
@indiannavy
to respond in crisis.

 

[bhramos]

#India may invite #Australia for the #Malabar exercise with #US & #Japan this year If that happens, It's a significant development, the #Quad countries coming together for the first time after many years in a large military exercise

 

[Assassin 2.0]

FINALLY some increasing in share of Navy.
Air force got slashed tho:biggrin2: